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The discussion revolves around Schrödinger's Cat thought experiment, exploring its implications in quantum mechanics, particularly regarding superposition and the nature of observation in determining the state of a quantum system. Participants seek clarification on the concept and its philosophical ramifications.

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  • Some participants explain that in quantum mechanics, particles do not have definite properties, leading to the concept of superposition, where a particle can exist in multiple states simultaneously.
  • One participant describes Schrödinger's Cat as a scenario where a cat is both alive and dead until observed, due to the superposition of a decaying atom affecting the cat's fate.
  • Another participant emphasizes the dual nature of quanta, noting that experiments can show particles behaving as either particles or wave functions, which complicates the interpretation of the cat's state.
  • Some participants reference the Copenhagen Interpretation, suggesting that while particles exist in superpositions, the focus is on the outcomes after measurement, raising questions about the implications for the cat.
  • Others introduce the Many Worlds Theory as an alternative perspective, suggesting that all possible outcomes exist in parallel worlds, which further complicates the discussion about the cat's fate.
  • A participant humorously suggests to "just pray for the cat," indicating a light-hearted take on the serious philosophical implications of the thought experiment.

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Participants express varying interpretations of Schrödinger's Cat and its implications, with no consensus on the philosophical ramifications or the nature of reality as it pertains to observation and superposition. Multiple competing views remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of quantum mechanics and the philosophical questions raised by the thought experiment, including the nature of reality and the role of observation, without resolving these issues.

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I was doing some research for school and I was thinking of he Schrödinger's Cat Experiment. Can someone explain it to me. Sorry if I sound Amateur because I am.
 
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Ima_Fraud said:
I was doing some research for school and I was thinking of he Schrödinger's Cat Experiment. Can someone explain it to me. Sorry if I sound Amateur because I am.

Well, that's essentially the same thing as posting "Explain to me all of quantum mechanics." It's rather difficult to get into one, simple, answer, but I'll see.

In quantum mechanics, a particle can never have definite properties. For example, in the familiar world, something may be here, or it may be there. In quantum mechanics, however, since particles cannot have definite properties, such as positions, an electron can be here and there, simultaneously.

This egienstate, or superposition, as it is called, represents a blur of different possibilities. In time, however, it grows like a wave, spreading it's possible location even thinner. This makes up what is called a probability wave, or more precisely, a wavefunction. Wavefunctions evolve through time in accordance with the Schrödinger equation.

When you interact with a wavefunction, you trigger a collapse - the rapid decoherance of a wavefunction back to just a few possibilities.

So, now with that background, I'll explain Schrödinger's cat. Imagine we placed a decaying atom in a box for a half an hour. Since it is equally probable it will decay or not decay, it is in a superposition of decayed and not decayed. Let's now say this was hooked up to a measuring device, which upon measuring decay, will use a hammer to smash a vile of poison, killing a cat in the box. The box is left closed, so no external factors will trigger collapse. Now, since the atom is in a superposition of decayed and not decayed, we can deduce the cat is in a superposition of dead AND alive.

Hence, we end up with a cat that is in a superposition of dead and alive. Depending on different interpretations, however, this is interpreted in different ways.

If you're interested, here is an English translation of Erwin Schrödinger's original paper on the though experiment.

http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/QM/cat.html

Hope I helped, and welcome to the forum!
 
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just pray for the cat and forget the rest :=)
 
Thank you Mark. I now understand.
 
re spelling: to get that special Ö character in Schrödinger's Cat hold down alt key and type 0162.
The cat's dilemma has more to do with the dual nature of quanta--subatomic particles. Some experiments prove they are particles and other prove they aren't--that they are wave functions. Scientists believe it is the experiments themselves and the resultant observations of these particles, that causes them to be one thing or the other. Schrödinger said that didn't make sense...that quanta had to have a single true identity. Otherwise, if say an electron was shot a box that was triggered to kill a cat inside it if the electron was a particle and to leave it alive if it turned out to be a wave function what would happen to the cat until someone opened the box to "observe" which of its dual natures the quanta had expressed when it hit the trigger?
Then along came Everitt and his Many Worlds Theory...you can read all about that part of the story here http://eileenschuh.blogspot.ca/2010/07/whos-schrodingers-cat.html
 
EileenSchuh said:
re spelling: to get that special Ö character in Schrödinger's Cat hold down alt key and type 0162.
The cat's dilemma has more to do with the dual nature of quanta--subatomic particles. Some experiments prove they are particles and other prove they aren't--that they are wave functions. Scientists believe it is the experiments themselves and the resultant observations of these particles, that causes them to be one thing or the other. Schrödinger said that didn't make sense...that quanta had to have a single true identity. Otherwise, if say an electron was shot a box that was triggered to kill a cat inside it if the electron was a particle and to leave it alive if it turned out to be a wave function what would happen to the cat until someone opened the box to "observe" which of its dual natures the quanta had expressed when it hit the trigger?
Then along came Everitt and his Many Worlds Theory...you can read all about that part of the story here http://eileenschuh.blogspot.ca/2010/07/whos-schrodingers-cat.html

Schrödinger and the rest of the Copenhagen Interpreters didn't say the particle had to have a definite property - they simply stated that even though particles do indeed exist in superpositions, it is nonsense to speak of them. To CI, all that matters is what happens after collapse.
 
"...all that matters is what happens after collapse..."

Unless, of course, you're the cat... Which was the point of Schrödinger's thought experiment. While physicists can go merrily on their way believing in the dual nature of quanta and the role of observation in defining which of those natures is being expressed at any given moment in space and time...reality requires something more substantial than just agreeing not to speak about the nonsensical fallout of that belief. Otherwise...is that darn cat alive or dead until someone observes it?
 

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