Can someone help me figure out how much torque I need

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The discussion revolves around determining the torque required for a large mixer application, specifically for a paddle wheel designed to handle a load of 10,500 lbs, with dimensions of 5 ft in diameter and 14 ft long, and an operational speed of 15-20 rpm. Participants explore equations and methodologies for calculating the necessary motor and gear reducer specifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help with the torque calculation for a large mixer, providing specific details about the load and dimensions.
  • Another participant suggests comparing the mixer to existing models, such as concrete mixers, and proposes creating prototypes to measure torque and power requirements.
  • Some participants mention the importance of empirical research in mixing processes and recommend consulting unit operation textbooks for established equations.
  • Variables affecting torque calculations are noted, including viscosity, paddle size and shape, and clearance between the paddle and container.
  • A participant shares preliminary calculations for motor output and torque at different gear ratios but expresses uncertainty about incorporating rpm into the calculations.
  • A link to a Wikipedia page on gear ratios is provided as a potential resource for further understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific torque calculation methods or the applicability of existing models to the user's unique mixer design. Multiple viewpoints and suggestions are presented without resolution.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, highlighting the need for empirical data and the influence of various factors on torque requirements. There are references to the limitations of existing equations and the potential need for custom solutions.

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Individuals interested in mechanical engineering, mixing processes, or those involved in designing large industrial mixers may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello I am new to site and need some help building a big mixer similar to picture the problem i have run into is i need to know what size motor and gear reducer box i need for this application i need to find out how much torque it takes to spin the paddle wheel when fully loaded the the weight of my material is 10,500 lbs my paddle is 5 ft in diameter 14 feet long and I need this to spin at 15-20 rpm can anyone help me with equation for this thanks. http://www.robinrents.com/stow-paddles.jpg
 
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Is there anything similar you can compare it with? Such as a concrete mixer? Otherwise I suspect you might have to make a series of smaller prototypes to scale, measure the torque and power required and extrapolate.
 
With mixing being such a key process in industry I'd guess there's been considerable research done, have you checked unit operation textbooks?
 
There must be a lot of variables.. viscosity, size and shape of the paddle, clearance between paddle and container..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixing_(process_engineering )

Many of the equations used for determining the output of mixers are empirically derived, or contain empirically-derived constants. Since mixers operate in the turbulent regime, many of the equations are approximations that are considered acceptable for most engineering purposes.

It goes on to reference the "North American Mixing Forum sponsored Handbook of Industrial Mixing".
 
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And 2.5ft instead of the 7ft i wrote
 

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And 2.5ft instead of the 7ft i wrote
Yes your picture is exactly what I am trying to build.
 
billy_joule said:
With mixing being such a key process in industry I'd guess there's been considerable research done, have you checked unit operation textbooks?
yes i have the problem is no one make a mixer in the size I am making its either much smaller or much bigger.
 
I am a complete newbie who makes tons of mistakes. someone check my work!

at a 1:1 gear ratio you need a motor with a1137 watt output or 50,000ft*lbs
at a 1:2 ratio you need 567 watts or 25000ft*lbs
I don't know how to incorporate the rpm in this formula.
 

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