Can someone help me with this problem. Two stones being thrown straight up

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The problem involves two stones thrown vertically upward, with the first stone thrown at a speed of 18.00 m/s and the second stone thrown 0.880 seconds later with the same speed. The questions focus on the time and height at which the stones meet, as well as their speeds at that moment.

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  • Participants discuss the known variables such as initial velocity and acceleration, and the need to find the time when both stones are at the same height. There is a focus on understanding displacement and how it relates to height.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about displacement and height, and exploring the relevant equations. There is a collaborative effort to clarify concepts and guide the original poster towards formulating equations for both stones.

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A stone is thrown vertically upward at a speed of 18.00 m/s at time t=0. A second stone is thrown upward with the same speed 0.880 s later.
(a) At what time are the two stones at the same height?
(b) At what height do the two stones pass each other?
(c) What is the upward speed of the second stone as they pass each other?
(d) What is the downward speed of the first stone as they pass each other?

I'm at a complete loss for this. I know stone one will be traveling down and stone two will be traveling up when they are at the same height, but how do I find that exact height.

Here are the formulas I'm allowed to work with.
Xf = Xi + VT
Vf = Vi + AT
Xf = Xi + ViT + 1/2AT^2
Vf^2 = Vi^2 + 2AXf

BTW I don't need the answer to this exact problem. I just need to know how to do it on my test. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
 
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Start by listing the things you know;

(a) You know the initial velocity of both stones (18 m.s-1)
(b) You know the acceleration of both stones (-9.81 m.s-2)
(c) You know that when both stones are at the same height, they will have equal displacements.

You want to find out at what time t both stones are at the same height, so you need an equation with the initial velocity, the acceleration, the displacement and time only. Which equation from your list would that be?
 
Would it be the 3rd equation? Even after I know the equation I'm still confused. This is my first attempt at any sort of physics and its really making me think.
 
Hootenanny said:
Welcome to the Forums,

Start by listing the things you know;

(a) You know the initial velocity of both stones (18 m.s-1)
(b) You know the acceleration of both stones (-9.81 m.s-2)
(c) You know that when both stones are at the same height, they will have equal displacements.

How do I know they will have equal displacements at the same height?
 
That's what it means to be at the same height. If one stone is 5 meters above the ground and the other stone is also 5 meters above the ground, they are both displaced from their point of origin (the ground) by 5 meters.

Do you know the formula for displacement?
 
No, I don't. Our class doesn't have a book so I only have what my prof gave us. I get displacement now, I thought it was the total distance traveled before you just explained it.
 
bpage08 said:
How do I know they will have equal displacements at the same height?
Ask yourself, what is height? What is displacement? How could the stones be at the same height and not have the same displacement?
bpage08 said:
Would it be the 3rd equation? Even after I know the equation I'm still confused.
Yes, it would be the third equation. Now, can you show two equations (one for each stone) and substitute in the values that you know?
 
Do I make the two equations equal to each other?

IE:
Xi + ViT + 1/2AT^2 = Xi + ViT + 1/2AT^2 ?

16.53m + 0m/s(T) + .5(-9.8m/s^2)(T^2) = 0m + 18m(T) + .5(-9.8m/s^2)(T^2)
 
bpage08 said:
Do I make the two equations equal to each other?

IE:
Xi + ViT + 1/2AT^2 = Xi + ViT + 1/2AT^2 ?

16.53m + 0m/s(T) + .5(-9.8m/s^2)(T^2) = 0m + 18m(T) + .5(-9.8m/s^2)(T^2)

Yes, you do make both equations 'equal', however I am not sure what you are doing here. Surely both stones have the same initial displacement (x1 = 0) and the same initial velocities (vi = 0). The only differences are that in the first case T = t and in the second case T = t + 0.88. Does that make sense?
 

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