Can someone please explain to me what I'm doing wrong? Thank you.

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the rotational motion of a ceiling fan with a specified diameter and angular velocity. The original poster seeks to determine the speed of a fan blade tip after a certain time following the fan's shutdown.

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  • The original poster attempts to convert rotational speed from rpm to rad/sec and calculate angular acceleration, but expresses uncertainty about their calculations. Some participants question the interpretation of the fan's dimensions, particularly the radius versus diameter, and suggest clarifying the problem statement.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions and corrections regarding the interpretation of the fan's dimensions. There is a mix of attempts to clarify the original poster's calculations and the physical setup of the problem. The original poster acknowledges a mistake in their final answer, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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There are discussions about the assumptions regarding the dimensions of the fan and the definitions of radius and diameter, which may affect the calculations. The original poster also notes the constraints of a homework system that penalizes incorrect answers, influencing their approach to finding a solution.

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Rotation of a Fan - Unsolved

Homework Statement


A ceiling fan with 85cm diameter blades is turning at 66 rpm. Suppose the fan coasts to a stop 26 s after being turned off.

What is the speed of the tip of a blade 10 sec after the fan is turned off?

Homework Equations


[tex]\alpha=\frac{w_{2}-w_{1}}{\Delta t}[/tex]
[tex]v=r\omega[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



First I converted 66 rpm to rad/sec, resulting in [tex]6.912[/tex] (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=66+rpm+to+rad/sec)

Then I found the angular acceleration using [tex]\alpha=\frac{w_{2}-w_{1}}{\Delta t}[/tex] as [tex]\alpha=\frac{0-6.912}{26}[/tex], which resulted in [tex]\alpha=-0.265846[/tex].

I then (this is where I think I have made a mistake) plugged this new alpha value back into that same equation to come up with this: [tex]-0.265846=\frac{w_{2}-6.912}{10}[/tex], since I figured I need [tex]\omega[/tex] to use in the [tex]v = r\omega[/tex] equation. That resulted in [tex]\omega=0.425[/tex]/

Now I used [tex]v = r\omega[/tex] as [tex]v = (.85)(0.425)[/tex], resulting in [tex]v = 0.36[/tex], which was determined to be incorrect. I'd start doing some trial and error, but the homework system cruelly deducts points for each incorrect answer.

I also tried the following, but it also failed. I used the equation of motion [tex]v=v_{0}+at[/tex] as [tex]\omega=r\omega_{0}+(\alpha * t)[/tex] with the values of [tex]\omega=0.36125 + (-0.265846)(10)[/tex], resulting in [tex]4.3[/tex]. This answer is incorrect.
 
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What exactly are you supposed to find? You didn't really state it.
 
My apologies, post edited.
 
Well your diameter is 85cm. So your radius wouldn't be 85cm now would ?
 
Well the question states that the blades are 85 cm in diameter, so the diameter of the entire fan, I'm assuming, would be [tex]f(x) = (85*2)+x[/tex] where [tex]x[/tex] is the width of the round base in the center from which the fan blades rotate.
 
Not sure where you got that formula from, but my line of thinking was that the distance from the center of rotation to the tip of a blade should be the radius of the fan.
 
Here, I'll draw a picture to explain my thoughts.

After drawing it, I should reformulate my previous equation to a simple [tex]d = r + r[/tex], where d is the diameter and r is the length of a blade.

[PLAIN]http://mikederoche.com/temp/fan.png

The center of rotation, of course, would be where the two blades meet in the center of that big black dot. Each blade is 83 cm, so the diameter of the entire fan would be 83+83=166. So the center of rotation would lie at (just undoing the previous equation...) 166/2 = 83 cm.

I also tried the following, but it also failed. I used the equation of motion [tex]v=v_{0}+at[/tex] as [tex]\omega=r\omega_{0}+(\alpha * t)[/tex] with the values of [tex]\omega=0.36125 + (-0.265846)(10)[/tex], resulting in [tex]4.3[/tex]. This answer is incorrect.
 
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If fan looks as you draw, they would speak about the "the length of the blades" That fan probably is made without that black dot, just screwing two or more blades together. The blades cover a circle when revolving, the diameter of the circle is 85 cm. Trust in rock.freak and try to use the half for r, and see if it is the correct result. Otherwise, everything else you did is fine.

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Hm, well I did try what rock.freak suggested, but the answer was still marked incorrect.

[tex]v = (.85/2)(0.425) = 0.18[/tex].
 
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Nevermind, I got it. Ended up being off by a power of 10... the answer was 1.8, not .18!

Thanks for your help, everyone.
 

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