Can something be caused and be ontologically random?

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The discussion centers on the existence of ontological probability, with a focus on a specific article claiming it does not exist. The author argues that both deterministic and indeterministic theories fail to support the concept of ontological probability. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is acknowledged as limiting knowledge of measurement outcomes, but this does not validate the existence of ontological probability. The conversation concludes that the debate is philosophical rather than physical, emphasizing the need for theories that yield testable predictions.

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Or does ontological probability exist?

I was reading an article that came up in my google searches ( https://breakingthefreewillillusion.com/ontic-probability-doesnt-exist/ ) ignore the free will philosophy stuff.

But the author makes the claim that ontological probability simply does not exist and is incoherent in any formulation, this goes for both deterministic and indeterministic theories or interpretations.

What do you all think of this, besides the obviousness of him being a hack, I'd rather not use ad hominem to discuss his article.
 
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This relates to the famous "God does not play dice with the universe".
There is not doubt that the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle limits what can be known about the results of a measurement before that measurement is made.
However, that is not sufficient to assert ontological probability. Whether there is truly nothing that causes the actual result is up for debate. It is a Physics debate only to the extent that a theory that is inconsistent with ontological probability or inconsistent with no ontological probability makes other predictions that can be repeatably tested.
 
This question appears to be philosophy, not physics. Also, the reference given is not a valid source.

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