Can Spin Comutation Relations be Simplified by Using Average Spin Values?

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of spin commutation relations using average spin values, particularly in the context of magnetic ordered systems such as ferromagnets or antiferromagnets. Participants explore the implications of approximating the commutation relations and the conditions under which such approximations may hold.

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  • Some participants propose that if the average spin value \(\langle\hat{S}^z\rangle\) is approximately equal to \(S\), then it is reasonable to use the approximation \([\hat{S}^+_{n},\hat{S}^-_{m}]\approx 2S\delta_{n,m}\).
  • Others argue that while the approximation \(\langle [\hat{S}^+_{n},\hat{S}^-_{m}]\rangle \approx 2S\delta_{n,m}\) is acceptable, the disappearance of the average notation in the commutation relation needs clarification.
  • A participant suggests that if the approximation holds, it allows for a transformation of the spin operators into functions of Bose operators, indicating a connection to the Bloch approximation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the validity of the approximation depends on the specific system being analyzed, questioning the general applicability without further context.
  • One participant proposes expressing the Hamiltonian in terms of Bose operators and considering perturbative corrections, indicating a method to assess the impact of the approximation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the approximation or the conditions under which it can be applied. Multiple competing views remain regarding the justification for using the approximation and its implications for different systems.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific system characteristics, such as temperature and magnetic order, which are not fully detailed in the discussion. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions about the conditions under which the approximation is valid.

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[tex][\hat{S}^+_{n},\hat{S}^-_{m}]=2S_n^z\delta_{n,m}[/tex]

where [tex]n,m[/tex] are position vectors of spins. Why if we have

[tex]\langle\hat{S}^z\rangle\approx S[/tex] we can use

[tex][\hat{S}^+_{n},\hat{S}^-_{m}]\approx 2S\delta_{n,m}[/tex]?

where [tex]S[/tex] is value of the spin, for example [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex].
 
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Its an approximation. And we know that

[tex] \langle [\hat{S}^+_{n},\hat{S}^-_{m}]\rangle \approx 2S\delta_{n,m}[/tex]
So it does not appear implausible.
 
Yes ok. I don't have problem with

[tex]\langle [\hat{S}^+_{n},\hat{S}^-_{m}]\rangle \approx 2S\delta_{n,m}[/tex]

but where [tex]\langle... \rangle[/tex] disappear?

Why I can use this approximation?

[tex] [\hat{S}^+_{n},\hat{S}^-_{m}]\approx 2S\delta_{n,m}[/tex]
 
If relation [tex] <br /> [\hat{S}^+_{n},\hat{S}^-_{m}]\approx 2S\delta_{n,m}<br /> [/tex]

is correct than

we can define

[tex]\hat{S}^-_n \rightarrow \sqrt{2S}\hat{B}_n^+[/tex]

[tex]\hat{S}^+_n\rightarrow \sqrt{2S}\hat{B}_n[/tex]

which is Bloch approximation but I don't see some reasons for

[tex] <br /> [\hat{S}^+_{n},\hat{S}^-_{m}]\approx 2S\delta_{n,m}<br /> [/tex]
 
Petar Mali said:
Why I can use this approximation?
You can always use whatever approximation you like. The question is whether it is good or bad. This depends on the system you use it for. A point about which you didn't tell us anything.
 
Well I have some magnetic ordered system. For example ferromagnet or antiferromagnet and have some spin hamiltonian. I want to replace operators [tex]\hat{S}^{\pm},\hat{S}^z[/tex] with some functions of Bose operators. Temperatures are low.
 
Well, what you could try is to express the hamiltonian in terms of [tex]\hat{B}_n^+[/tex] and
[tex] \hat{S}^-_n - \sqrt{2S}\hat{B}_n^+[/tex]
considering terms containing the difference as a perturbation. Maybe you can show that they only lead to small corrections in the limit you are considering?
 

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