Can $\sqrt{8}^{\sqrt{7}}$ Ever Be Greater Than $\sqrt{7}^{\sqrt{8}}$?

  • Context: MHB 
  • Thread starter Thread starter anemone
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Challenge Inequality
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The inequality $\sqrt{8}^{\sqrt{7}} < \sqrt{7}^{\sqrt{8}}$ has been established as a mathematical fact. The discussion centers around proving this inequality through various mathematical approaches. Participants consistently affirm the validity of the inequality, reinforcing its acceptance within the mathematical community. The proof involves comparing the two expressions by manipulating their logarithmic forms.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of exponential functions and their properties
  • Familiarity with logarithmic transformations
  • Basic knowledge of inequalities in mathematics
  • Experience with square roots and their implications in inequalities
NEXT STEPS
  • Study logarithmic properties and their applications in inequalities
  • Explore advanced techniques in mathematical proofs
  • Investigate the behavior of exponential functions with varying bases
  • Learn about the implications of inequalities in real analysis
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, educators, and students interested in advanced mathematical proofs and inequalities will benefit from this discussion.

anemone
Gold Member
MHB
POTW Director
Messages
3,851
Reaction score
115
Prove that $\sqrt{8}^{\sqrt{7}}<\sqrt{7}^{\sqrt{8}}$.
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
anemone said:
Prove that $\sqrt{8}^{\sqrt{7}}<\sqrt{7}^{\sqrt{8}}$.

Subtle Hint:

$7\cdot 31^2<8\cdot k^2$
 
anemone said:
Subtle Hint:

$7\cdot 31^2<8\cdot k^2$

Second subtle hint:

$8^{?}<7^{31}$
 
anemone said:
Prove that $\sqrt{8}^{\sqrt{7}}<\sqrt{7}^{\sqrt{8}}$.

Solution of other:

If we want to prove it with the approach of integer arithmetic, we need to find a rational approximation of $$\sqrt{\frac{7}{8}}$$ that is slightly bigger than itself.

We find that $7\cdot 31^2(=6727)<8\cdot 29^2(=6728)$ which implies

$\sqrt{7}\cdot 31<29\cdot \sqrt{8}$

Also, we see that

$8^{29}\approx 1.55\times 10^{26}<7^{31}\approx 1.58\times 10^{26}$

It follows that $(8^{\sqrt{7}})^{31}<(8^{29})^{\sqrt{8}}<(7^{31})^{\sqrt{8}}$

Take the $62^{\text{th}}$ root on both sides the result follows.
 
anemone said:
Prove that $\sqrt{8}^{\sqrt{7}}<\sqrt{7}^{\sqrt{8}}$.
let :$A=\sqrt{8}^{\sqrt{7}},\,\,B=\sqrt{7}^{\sqrt{8}}$
$A^2=8^\sqrt 7,B^2=7^\sqrt 8$
since: $8^7=2097152<7^8=5764801$
$\therefore A^2<B^2$
so the proof is done
 
Albert said:
let :$A=\sqrt{8}^{\sqrt{7}},\,\,B=\sqrt{7}^{\sqrt{8}}$
$A^2=8^\sqrt 7,B^2=7^\sqrt 8$
since: $8^7=2097152<7^8=5764801$
$\therefore A^2<B^2$
so the proof is done

Thanks for participating, Albert...but...

By following your logic, if we have $4^3(=64)<3^4(=81)$, then does that mean $4^{\sqrt{3}}<3^{\sqrt{4}}$ must hold as well?

You know, the example I cited above doesn't work...
 
anemone said:
Thanks for participating, Albert...but...

By following your logic, if we have $4^3(=64)<3^4(=81)$, then does that mean $4^{\sqrt{3}}<3^{\sqrt{4}}$ must hold as well?

You know, the example I cited above doesn't work...
let:$f(x)=\sqrt{\dfrac{x+1}{x}}$
$g(x)=\dfrac {log(x+1)}{log(x)}$
if $x\in N ,\,\, and \,\,x>1$
the solution of $f(x)>g(x)$,is $x\geq 7$
if $x=2,3,4,5,6 $ then $f(x)<g(x)$
 
Albert said:
let:$f(x)=\sqrt{\dfrac{x+1}{x}}$
$g(x)=\dfrac {log(x+1)}{log(x)}$
if $x\in N ,\,\, and \,\,x>1$
the solution of $f(x)>g(x)$,is $x\geq 7$
if $x=2,3,4,5,6 $ then $f(x)<g(x)$

Hello again Albert,

I'd like to see the proof for $x\in \Bbb{N}$, we have $f(x)>g(x)$ for $x\ge 7$ thanks.:) That work would complete your solution.
 
Albert said:
let:$f(x)=\sqrt{\dfrac{x+1}{x}}$
$g(x)=\dfrac {log(x+1)}{log(x)}$
if $x\in N ,\,\, and \,\,x>1$
the solution of $f(x)>g(x)$,is $x\geq 7$
if $x=2,3,4,5,6 $ then $f(x)<g(x)$
the graph of $f(x),\,\, and \,\, g(x)$ both approah 1 as $x\rightarrow \infty$ and both are decreasing
$f(x)$ and $ g(x)$ meet at only one point $6<x<7$
and $f(x)<g(x) ,\,\, when \,\, x<7$
 

Similar threads

Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
1
Views
1K