Can string diameter affect wave speed in guitar strings?

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The discussion revolves around the effect of string diameter on wave speed in guitar strings, focusing on two steel strings with different diameters and tensions. Participants explore the relationship between diameter, mass per length, and wave speed using relevant equations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the equation for wave speed and how to incorporate string diameter into the calculation of mass per length. There is an exploration of the relationship between volume, mass, and diameter.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between diameter and mass per unit length, suggesting that the volume of the strings can be used to derive the necessary ratios. There is an ongoing examination of how constants will affect the calculations when forming ratios.

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The problem assumes that both strings are made of the same material, which implies uniform mass per unit volume across the strings. This assumption is critical to the discussion of how diameter influences wave speed.

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Two steel guitar strings have the same length. String A has a diameter of 0.50 mm and is under 340.0 N of tension. String B has a diameter of 1.0 mm and is under a tension of 800.0 N. Find the ratio of the wave speeds, vA / vB, in these two strings.

I know that the equation that I need to use is v=square root of F/u where u=the mass per length of the string. I tried doing this solving by using that equation and just plugging in the diameters. Now that I've actually sat down and thought about it, I was wondering how I could incorporate the diameters into that equation, namely how can I figure out how to the diameter is related to the mass per length ?
 
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The problem is assuming the strings are made of the same material, so they have the same mass per unit volume. A string with greater diameter has more volume, and hence more mass for a given length than a string with smaller diameter. Figure out the ratio of mass per unit length of the two strings by figuring out the ratio of the volumes of equal lengths of the strings
 
So the volume would be 2pi*r^2*h but h would be the same for both equations and the 2pi would be constant and therefore cancel out when plugged into a ratio. So the overall equation would be something like v ratio=[square root of F/(r^2)] / same thing with the next set of numbers...right ?
 
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So the volume would be 2pi*r^2*h but h would be the same for both equations and the 2pi would be constant and therefore cancel out when plugged into a ratio. So the overall equation would be something like v ratio=[square root of F/(r^2)] / same thing with the next set of numbers...right ?
That's the right idea. Don't lose track of the constants, though they will divide out if you do a ratio.
 

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