Can synthetic viruses be created in a lab and become pathogenic?

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The discussion centers around the feasibility and implications of creating synthetic viruses in a laboratory setting, particularly whether such viruses could be considered 'alive' and capable of causing disease. The scope includes theoretical considerations, technical capabilities, and philosophical questions regarding the nature of life and replication.

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  • Some participants propose that if a synthetic virus is assembled correctly with the appropriate genome and capsid, it could function as a 'live' virus capable of replication.
  • Others argue that the definition of 'life' is complex and question whether a lab-assembled virus can truly be considered alive, suggesting it may be more accurate to refer to it as a 'working' virus.
  • A participant highlights that the success of a synthetic virus in infecting a host depends on the design and assembly of its components, drawing an analogy to assembling a robot.
  • Concerns are raised about the ability of a lab-assembled virus to replicate and infect a host, with some expressing skepticism about whether it would behave like naturally occurring viruses.
  • Another participant notes that self-replicating molecules existed on Earth long before humans and labs, suggesting that the principles of replication are not exclusive to natural processes.

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Participants express a range of views on the capabilities of synthetic viruses, with no consensus on whether such viruses can be considered alive or whether they would replicate in a host. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of lab-created viruses.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of defining life and the technical challenges involved in creating synthetic viruses. There are also references to the historical context of self-replicating molecules, which may influence perspectives on the topic.

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Is a synthetic virus (as a whole) created in a lab, as infectious & pathologic, as a natural viral infection?
Today's technology is so advanced. Not only a part of a virus can be created in a lab, but with any viral genome, maybe it is possible now to assemble a complete and whole virus from the scratch.

In such a case, if it is made to infect a human/animal, will it be able to replicate itself in the host? In other words, will it become 'alive'? Can it become pathogenic and cause disease?

We understand viruses cannot be strictly defined as 'life'. But the intention of the question is to verify if such a (designer) virus could be 'booted' into action or 'life'?

Just by assembling DNA and other proteins, can we create new life?

Thanks.
 
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I don't know the current state of technology with regards to creating synthetic viruses, but IF the genome and capsid are made of the same stuff that natural viruses are made of, and the DNA/RNA sequences are correct, then yes, it would be a 'live' virus. Or, if you don't want to get into a discussion on what 'life' means, then it is a 'working' virus.

But that answer is kind of a tautology. If I can assemble a squirrel correctly from scratch then it will, obviously, be a live squirrel. That's what 'correctly' means. So to me the question is whether technology in the field has advanced enough to create viral components from scratch and whether our understanding of the viral genome and host cellular machinery is advanced enough to create a working viral genome that will allow the virus to infect, multiply, and escape a host cell.
 
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mktsgm said:
...maybe it is possible now to assemble a complete and whole virus from the scratch. ... will it become 'alive'?
If the job is done well, then there is no distinction regarding the 'aliveness'.

Likely, it'll do its work in a more straightforward, clean manner (depending on the level of understanding behind the creation assembly of the piece) than a haphazard 'natural' one, but that's all.
 
Our general premise is that generally, the germs wants to survive and so they tend to procreate.

It is understandable of a 'live' virus wanting to survive and replicate.

But why a lab-assembled virus would infect and replicate in a host? This beats me.
 
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But why a lab-assembled virus would infect and replicate in a host? This beats me.
It's like assembling a robot. It does whatever it has been designed to do. A synthetic virus, if designed to infect and replicate in a host, would do so. If it has not been designed to do so, it will not. For example, virotherapy, specifically viral gene therapy, uses viruses to introduce a gene into host cells, with the new gene tailored to a variety of applications like protein synthesis or gene regulation. The viruses used in virotherapy are altered so as to be unable to replicate. They simply don't have the genetic material necessary to hijack a cell and build new viruses.
 
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Our general premise is that generally, the germs wants to survive and so they tend to procreate.

It is understandable of a 'live' virus wanting to survive and replicate.

Never anthropomorphise germs. They hate it when you do that.
 
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mktsgm said:
Our general premise is that generally, the germs wants to survive and so they tend to procreate.

It is understandable of a 'live' virus wanting to survive and replicate.

But why a lab-assembled virus would infect and replicate in a host? This beats me.
At some point this happened on Earth with no labs, no hosts and no humans.

A self-replicating molecule.

This was about 4 billion years ago I find that amazing.

This is from 2020, looks at some possible mechanisms.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jacs.9b10796
 
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