Can the 2nd ode x*y''-c*y=0 be solved exactly?

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The discussion revolves around the second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by \( y'' - \frac{c}{x}y = 0 \). Participants are exploring whether this equation can be solved exactly or if it can be related to special functions such as Bessel or hypergeometric equations. The original poster seeks general solutions without fixed boundary conditions.

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  • Some participants suggest rewriting the equation in different forms to explore potential solutions, while others propose using series solutions. There are discussions about the necessity of considering singularities in the equation and the implications for the form of the series solution. Questions arise regarding the validity of certain manipulations and the nature of the singular point at \( x = 0 \).

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The conversation is ongoing, with various approaches being discussed, including series solutions and transformations to known forms. Some participants have provided references to external resources that may aid in understanding the problem further. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants note the presence of a regular singular point at \( x = 0 \) and discuss the implications this has on the form of potential solutions. The original equation is defined at this point, but dividing by \( x \) introduces complications that are under consideration.

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As the tittle, can the 2nd ode (B.C not fixed, I need the general solution)

y''-c/x*y=0

be solved exactly? Or can it be translated into some
special mathphysical equations, such as Bessel?
Hypergeometric? etc

any comments or references are welcome.

Thank you for advance!
 
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Would this work?

<br /> <br /> y&#039;&#039; - \frac{cy}{x} = 0, can be rewritten as
\frac{dydy}{y} = \frac{c}{x}dxdx, which upon integrating gives
ln|y|dy = c*ln|x|dx, and then we would just have to integrate one more time?
 
I would go with a series solution, with y = c0 + c1x + c2x2 + ... + cnxn + ...
 
Mark44 said:
I would go with a series solution, with y = c0 + c1x + c2x2 + ... + cnxn + ...

Don't you need to search for a solution not from the type:

<br /> y(x)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_{n}x^{n}<br />

but from the form:

<br /> y(x)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_{n}x^{n+r}<br />

<br /> a_{0}\neq 0<br />

because of the singularity at x=0 ?

I don't think it is possible to find both linearly independent series' if you search the solution in the first form, I couldn't. but may be I'm rusty in the Olde ODE's :)
 
Raskolnikov said:
Would this work?

<br /> <br /> y&#039;&#039; - \frac{cy}{x} = 0, can be rewritten as
\frac{dydy}{y} = \frac{c}{x}dxdx, which upon integrating gives
ln|y|dy = c*ln|x|dx, and then we would just have to integrate one more time?
No, that is not valid.
\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}\ne \frac{(dy)(dy)}{(dx)(dx)}
 
gomunkul51 said:
Don't you need to search for a solution not from the type:

<br /> y(x)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_{n}x^{n}<br />

but from the form:

<br /> y(x)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_{n}x^{n+r}<br />

<br /> a_{0}\neq 0<br />

because of the singularity at x=0 ?
The equation as originally given is xy'' - cy = 0, which is defined when x = 0. It is only by dividing by x that you introduce an singularity.
gomunkul51 said:
I don't think it is possible to find both linearly independent series' if you search the solution in the first form, I couldn't. but may be I'm rusty in the Olde ODE's :)
 
Thans to all of you. Your browse or reply helps me.

To this point, LCKurtz's message is the most nearest to
my need!
 
Mark44 said:
The equation as originally given is xy'' - cy = 0, which is defined when x = 0. It is only by dividing by x that you introduce an singularity.

No, this DE has a regular singular point at x = 0. gomunkul51 is correct about the form the infinite series would take. See

http://banach.millersville.edu/~bob/math365/singular.pdf

for the definition of a singular point and discussion.
 
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You might also try a change of variables to transform the differential equation into the Bessel differential equation. For instance, u=sqrt(x) gets you a differential equation that sort of looks like the Bessel differential equation.
 

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