Can the Derivative of a Function be Evaluated as n Approaches Infinity?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the derivative of a function as the order n approaches infinity. Participants explore various functions and the implications of their derivatives in this limit, touching on theoretical and mathematical aspects.

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  • One participant questions if there is a general method to evaluate the n-th derivative as n approaches infinity, suggesting that the behavior may depend on the specific function.
  • Another participant notes that for certain functions like \( e^x \) and polynomials, the evaluation is straightforward, while for functions like \( \cos(x) \), it cannot be done due to their cyclic nature.
  • A participant argues that different functions evolve differently under differentiation, indicating that a universal approach may not exist.
  • One participant introduces Cauchy's theorem and discusses its implications for evaluating derivatives, proposing a contour integral approach under certain conditions.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that Cauchy's theorem provides a straightforward evaluation method for derivatives.
  • A later reply clarifies that the application of Cauchy's theorem assumes the function is analytic and has no poles at the point of interest.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of Cauchy's theorem and the generalizability of methods for evaluating derivatives as n approaches infinity. There is no consensus on a single method or approach that applies universally across different functions.

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Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions about the functions being discussed, particularly regarding analyticity and the presence of poles, which affect the validity of the proposed methods.

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Let be a function so the derivative of any order n exist, my question is if there is a way to evaluate:

[tex]\frac{d^{n}f(x)}{dx^{n}}[/tex] as [tex]n\rightarrow \infty[/tex]
 
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Depends on the function. If it's ex, it's trivial. If it's a polynomial, it's trivial. If it's cos(x), it can't be done (cyclic, so there's no limit). If it's something that's a complete mess of a rational function, you're probably righteously too lazy to figure it out
 
Why should it exist some general way apart from differentiating the function?
The derivatives of the functions f(x)=cos(x) g(x)=1 "evolve" in totally different manners.
 
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well i was thinking about "Cauchy's theorem" so you have that the derivative of any order should satisfy:

[tex]2\pi i f^{(n)}(a)= n! \oint_{C}dzf(z)(z-a)^{-n-1}[/tex]

and from this integral, if C is a circle of unit radius and centered at z=a then, the contour integral just becomes:

[tex]2\pi f^{(n)}(a)= n! \int_{-\pi}^{\pi} dxf(e^{ix}+a)e^{-inx}[/tex]

EDIT: another good idea would be perhaps to use the "generalized difference" operator so..

[tex]f^{(n)}(x)=\frac{\nabla ^{n}}{h^{n}}[/tex] as h-->0 (small h)
 
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Why do you assume that Cauchy's theorem in general gives you a neat way to actually evaluate the derivative??

You are not Eljose, are you?
 
I'm supposing that f(z) is analytic with NO poles or at least that the point z=a is not a pole of f, then if f has no poles on the unit circle centered at z=a then "Cauchy Theorem" for derivatives holds.

I don't know what's this stuff about someone called eljose ..and what has to do with me or the forums...
 

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