Can the equation x! + (x-3)! = 16x - 24 be solved for x?

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The discussion revolves around the equation x! + (x-3)! = 16x - 24, exploring whether it can be solved for x. Participants examine the equation from various perspectives, including integer and real solutions, and the implications of using the Gamma function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that for x > 2, the left-hand side (LHS) becomes greater than the right-hand side (RHS) as (x-3)! remains positive, suggesting a limited range of x to check.
  • Another participant claims that if x can be a real number, four solutions exist between 1 and 4.5, specifically x1=1.1837, x2=1.3134, x3=2.1222, and x4=4.4099, with additional negative solutions that are not integers.
  • A different participant argues that there are no integer solutions, stating that factorials grow faster than linear functions and providing specific values for x=4 and x=5 to illustrate the inequality.
  • One participant presents a rearranged form of the equation, suggesting that it leads to no integer values, questioning if this is the extent of the findings.
  • Another participant discusses plotting the function using the Gamma function, indicating that there are four zeros for x > 0 and infinite solutions for x < 0, but none are exact integers due to the singular nature of the Gamma function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are no integer solutions to the equation. However, there are multiple competing views regarding the existence of real solutions, particularly those derived from the Gamma function, and the nature of solutions in the negative domain remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the interpretation of x as a real number versus an integer, and the implications of using the Gamma function, which introduces complexities such as singularities and poles.

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hello everyone,
I usually post my questions on one small czech mathematical forum, but here is an equation no one knows how to "solve". I`ve came to it by accident, when I made an mistake in one combinatorics equation.


[tex]x! + (x-3)! = 16x - 24[/tex]

its fairly simple to solve in one way(x has to be greater than 2, and from some point left side is greater than right side, because (x-3)! is always greater then 0 and we don`t have to care about -24 on the right side, so we can check for which x is x! > 16x. this leaves us only very few possibilities for x to check).

this is nice, but I`d like to know if its possible to get it in form x = something. I can`t think of any way how to do it.

also, this equation doesn`t have any solution, its rather theoretical question.
 
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If x can be a real number (using Gamma function) you can find 4 solutions betweeen 1 and 4.5 (by plotting method or std numeric method).
x1=1.1837
x2=1.3134
x3=2.1222
x4=4.4099
There are also 5 negative solution... None is integer.
 
It is simple to check that there is no integer solution. Factorials increase far more rapidly than a linear function, more rapidly than exponentials even. We know x>2. For x=4, the LHS is smaller than the RHS, for x=5 it is larger, thus there is no integer x where they are equal.
 
I have also tried this in several different ways, I got:

x! = ( 8x (x-2) (x-1) (x-1.5) )/( x (x-1) ( x-2) +1 )

which means no integer values...

Is this really all?
 
Plotting the function (remebering x!=Gamma(x+1))
G(x)=Gamma(x + 1) + Gamma(x - 2) - 16x + 24
you can see that for x>0 there are only four zeros.
For x<0 there are infinite solutions near 0,-1,-2,-3...none exacly integer.
There Gamma function is singular (has a pole) and change sign.
 

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