Can the integral \(\int \sqrt{u^{4}+1} dx\) be solved?

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The discussion revolves around the integral \(\int \sqrt{u^{4}+1} dx\) and whether it can be solved, particularly focusing on its representation in terms of elementary functions and its application in a calculus problem involving derivatives and nested integrals.

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  • One participant asks if the integral \(\int \sqrt{u^{4}+1} dx\) has a solution, prompting clarification on the variable of integration.
  • Another participant points out that if the integral is meant to be \(\int \sqrt{x^4+1}dx\), it has an anti-derivative, but it cannot be expressed in terms of elementary functions.
  • A later reply mentions elliptic functions as relevant to the integral.
  • A participant shares their experience with the integral in a contest, detailing their approach to solving a related problem involving nested integrals and derivatives.
  • Another participant suggests that the original poster may have neglected to apply the chain rule when substituting \(u\) with \(\sin x\), which would account for the discrepancy in their solution.
  • The original poster acknowledges a lack of theoretical instruction in their coursework, indicating a gap in understanding related to the problem.

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Participants generally agree that the integral cannot be expressed in elementary functions, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the original poster's approach to the contest problem, as it involves differing interpretations of the application of calculus principles.

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There is uncertainty regarding the proper application of the fundamental theorem of calculus in the context of nested integrals and derivatives, as well as the implications of the chain rule in the substitution process.

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Can the integral be found?

Does the integral \int \sqrt{u^{4}+1} dx have a solution?
 
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What exactly are you asking? In the integral you give, you have a function of u integrated with respect to x! Is u some function of x or is that simply a typo?
If you meant \int\sqrt{x^4+1}dx, then since \sqrt{x^4+1} is continuous, yes, there certainly exist a function having that as its derivative- it has an anti-derivative.

If, however, you are asking whether that anti-derivative can be written in terms of "elementary functions", no it cannot.
 
I'm sorry, yes that is what I meant. I thought not. Thanks a lot!
 
Elliptic Functions.
 
Actually, I encountered the integral in a contest. The question was:

\frac{d^{2}}{(dx)^{2}}\int^{x}_{0}\left(\int^{sin t}_{1}\sqrt{u^{4}+1} du\right) dt}

I wasn't so sure how to solve it, but what I did was:
(I'm not even sure this is proper use of the fundamental theorem of the Calculus...)

=\frac{d^{2}}{(dx)^{2}} \int \left(\int^{sin x}_{1}\sqrt{u^{4}+1}du+\int^{sin 0}_{1}\sqrt{u^{4}+1}du\right)dx

=\frac{d}{dx} \left(\int^{sin x}_{1}\sqrt{u^{4}+1}du+\int^{sin 0}_{1}\sqrt{u^{4}+1}du\right)dx

=\frac{d}{dx}\left(\int \sqrt{sin^{4}x+1}dx-\int \sqrt{2}dx - \left(\int dx-\int \sqrt{2}dx\right) \right)

=\frac{d}{dx}\left(\int \sqrt{sin^{4}x+1}dx-\int dx\right)
=\underline{\sqrt{sin^{4}x+1}-1}

But they said the answer was cos x \sqrt{sin^{4}x+1}

Could anyone please tell me what I did wrong? Thanks
 
I think when you replaced the u with sinx you forgot to also do the chain rule. That would get you the cosx.
 
oh yeah... makes sense. We were never really taught this stuff in class, (I don't think they deemed it necessary for IT majors to learn theory.) Thanks a lot!
 

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