Can the 'mass' of bound states show up full propagator?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of poles in the full propagator within the context of quantum field theory, specifically regarding whether these poles correspond to the mass of a particle or the mass of a bound state. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to propagators and bound states.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference the Kallen-Lehmann spectral representation, noting that the two-point correlation function has poles corresponding to the physical mass of particles, while multiparticle states are associated with cuts.
  • One participant questions how to determine if a pole in the propagator represents the mass of a particle or the mass of a bound state, suggesting that the mass of the particle is defined in the Lagrangian.
  • Another participant argues that there may not be a distinction between the mass of a particle and the mass of a bound state, using the example of a proton in an electron gas transitioning to a bound hydrogen atom.
  • One participant asserts that for multiparticle states, the pole represents a bound state, while for single particles, it represents the physical mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether poles in the propagator can be definitively attributed to the mass of a particle or a bound state, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of mass in different contexts, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of interactions on the states being considered.

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The result of the Kallen-Lehmann spectral representation is that the two point correlation (and thus also the full propagator) has a pole in the physical mass of the particle. In Peskin and Schroeder it is also argued that multiparticle states show up as a cut, but bound states can also show up as poles.

Let's then say that we calculate the full propagator to a certain order and we find that we have a pole for a certain mometum - how do we then conclude that this pole is actually the mass of the particle and not the 'mass' of the bound state?
 
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center o bass said:
Let's then say that we calculate the full propagator to a certain order and we find that we have a pole for a certain mometum - how do we then conclude that this pole is actually the mass of the particle and not the 'mass' of the bound state?

The mass of the particle is what you start with in the Lagrangian. If a bound state appears then it'll look like something else.
 
center o bass said:
How do we then conclude that this pole is actually the mass of the particle and not the 'mass' of the bound state?

I don't think there is a difference. You could for example consider a proton moving in an electron gas with chemical potential mu. When interaction is switched on, the ground state of the interacting proton will evolve into the ground state of a bound hydrogen atom.
 
for a multiparticle state it is a bound state,for a single particle it is the physical mass.
 

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