Can the outer measure be non-countably additive?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of outer measure and its properties, specifically focusing on whether outer measure can be non-countably additive. Participants explore examples and counterexamples related to countable additivity in the context of outer measures, including the Lebesgue outer measure and Vitali sets.

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  • The original poster (OP) questions the existence of examples where outer measure is not countably additive, despite understanding it to be non-countably additive.
  • One participant provides an example using sets A = [-1,1] and B = [0,2], illustrating that the outer measure of their union is less than the sum of their individual measures when they intersect.
  • Another participant clarifies that the definition of countably additive pertains to disjoint sets.
  • A further contribution suggests that the OP is looking for a countable collection of pairwise disjoint sets where the outer measure of their union is strictly less than the sum of their outer measures, referencing the construction of a Vitali set as a counterexample.
  • The Vitali set is described as a non-measurable set that leads to a contradiction regarding the outer measure when combined with rational translations.
  • The complexity of constructing such examples is noted, particularly the reliance on the Axiom of Choice for Vitali sets.

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Participants express differing views on the properties of outer measure, with some providing examples that challenge the notion of countable additivity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these examples.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of outer measure and countable additivity, as well as the implications of using non-measurable sets like Vitali sets. The reliance on the Axiom of Choice is also a significant aspect of the examples provided.

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I read that the outer measure is not countably additive, but I can only think of cases where the outer measure is countably additive.
Can anybody give me an example where the outer measure is not countably additive?

Thanks
 
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Take A= [-1,1] and B=[0,2]. Then AuB=[-1,2], so mes(AuB)=3. But mes(A)+mes(B) = 2+2=4.

Indeed, you will always have mes(A_1 u ... u A_n)< mes(A_1)+...+mes(A_n) as soon as some pair of A_i intersect in a set of positive measure...
 
mmm?
the definition of countably additive only considers disjoint sets.
 
I think the OP wants a countable collection of pairwise disjoint sets such that the outer measure of their union is strictly less than the sum of their outer measures. As for Lebesgue Outer Measure, you can create a Vitali set V contained in [0,1] (Vitali sets are non-measurable, and no two of their members differ by a rational number). Since V is non-measurable subset of [0,1], its outer measure d must be strictly greater than 0 but no greater than 1. The set {r_k} of rational numbers in [0,1] is countable, so {V+r_k} is a countable collection of pairwise disjoint sets, with V+r_k (translating every element of V by r_k to the right) a subset of [0,2] with outer measure d for each k. Thus the outer measure of the union of any collection of V+r_k cannot exceed 2. If it were the case, however, that the outer measure of any such union equaled the sum of the outer measures, then if we chose N>2/d and looked at a collection of N different sets V+r_k, we would have the outer measure of their union equal to Nd, which is strictly greater than 2, providing our contradiction.

This counterexample would be horrendously difficult to think up on your own, and the construction of Vitali sets requires the Axiom of Choice.
 
I see.
Thank you Mr. Van Damme
 

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