Can the same argument be used for both radians and degrees in the sine function?

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The discussion revolves around the sine function and whether the same argument can be used for both radians and degrees. Participants explore the implications of using different units of angle measurement in mathematical functions, particularly in the context of programming and calculators.

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  • One participant notes that the sine function can accept arguments in either radians or degrees, questioning how the output remains consistent despite the different units.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while humans can interpret the input correctly, programming languages typically require inputs in radians, necessitating a conversion from degrees.
  • A third participant mentions that calculators often convert degree inputs to radians internally before applying the sine function, suggesting that the sine function fundamentally operates on dimensionless numbers.
  • One participant reiterates the common practice of using radians in mathematics while acknowledging the frequent use of degrees in engineering contexts.

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Participants express differing views on the handling of angle units in the sine function, with some asserting that radians are the standard while others highlight the practical use of degrees in specific applications. No consensus is reached regarding the implications of using different units.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of angle units in various contexts, particularly in programming versus manual calculations. The discussion reflects a lack of clarity on the implications of using radians versus degrees in different scenarios.

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angle argument of a sine function
Hello,
I understand that the sine function take an argument as an input and produced an output which is a real number between 1 and -1. My question is about the argument. I know it can be in either radians or degrees which are different units to measure angle. An angle is the portion of the plane between two lines that meet at a vertex.

For example, let's consider a function that takes the length of the side as input and calculates the perimeter of a square: ##f(x)=4x##. The output is correct regardless of the input being in feet, meter, inches, etc. However, the numerical output is different depending on the unit of ##x##.

What about in the case of the function ##f(x)=sin(x)## or ##f(x)=3sin(4x+30^\circ)##? If ##x## is in radians or degrees, the answer is the same...How is that possible? I am trying to explain this concept to a friend but I am convincing and clear.

thanks!
 
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If those are interpreted by a human, he can make the appropriate adjustment in his interpretation. If they are in computer code, then the computer language will insist that the input to sin() is in radians. If you want to use degrees, you will need to make the appropriate conversion of units: sin( degToRad * x_degrees), where degToRad = ##\pi / 180 = 0.0174532925199433##.
It is very common to see a mistake in computer programs where the input to the sin() function is degrees without the conversion. The effects are serious. A tiny change in degrees is interpreted as a change in radians, which is much larger.
 
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I'm not a mathematician, but I think the sine function works on radians, a dimensionless number (radian measure is a ratio). Your calculator uses the Taylor series (or some other faster series:

sin(x) = x+ x^3/3! - x^5/5! ...

If your calculator takes the argument in degrees, it first converts to radians (rad = pi * (deg/180)).

EDIT: basically, what @FactChecker just said.
 
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TL;DR Summary: angle argument of a sine function

Hello,
I understand that the sine function take an argument as an input and produced an output which is a real number between 1 and -1. My question is about the argument. I know it can be in either radians or degrees which are different units to measure angle. An angle is the portion of the plane between two lines that meet at a vertex.

For example, let's consider a function that takes the length of the side as input and calculates the perimeter of a square: ##f(x)=4x##. The output is correct regardless of the input being in feet, meter, inches, etc. However, the numerical output is different depending on the unit of ##x##.

What about in the case of the function ##f(x)=sin(x)## or ##f(x)=3sin(4x+30^\circ)##? If ##x## is in radians or degrees, the answer is the same...How is that possible? I am trying to explain this concept to a friend but I am convincing and clear.

thanks!
The sine function in general mathematics is almost always has an argument in radians. That said, using degrees is quite common in engineering and mechanics problems.
 

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