Why do we have both sine and cosine?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of both sine and cosine functions in trigonometry, exploring their definitions, historical context, and the necessity of having two distinct functions instead of one. Participants consider various perspectives on the topic, including geometric interpretations and the implications of using complex exponentials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why both sine and cosine functions exist when they can be expressed in terms of each other with a phase shift of π/2, suggesting that their separate definitions may stem from historical derivations involving complex exponentials or hyperbolic functions.
  • Another participant notes that sine and cosine are often defined separately in elementary trigonometry for simplicity, along with tangent, and expresses a preference for reducing trigonometric expressions to sine and cosine.
  • A participant explains that sine and cosine are defined as ratios of sides of a triangle, and highlights the utility of defining both functions for convenience in various contexts.
  • One contributor emphasizes the importance of the unit circle in understanding the relationship between sine and cosine, pointing out that using both functions is more convenient than expressing one in terms of the other.
  • Another participant mentions that sine, cosine, and tangent are ratios of triangle sides, and raises the question of why three functions are needed when considering the unit circle.
  • A later reply reiterates the idea that sine and cosine can be seen as different representations of the same concept, suggesting that it may be more intuitive to use cosine directly rather than expressing it as sine of a complementary angle.

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Participants express a range of views on the necessity and utility of having both sine and cosine functions, with no consensus reached on whether one could suffice. The discussion remains open-ended, with various interpretations and historical contexts presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the definitions of sine and cosine may have evolved from geometric interpretations, and that the exponential definitions came later. There is also mention of other trigonometric functions that have fallen out of common use, indicating a historical context for the development of these functions.

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This might seem like a really basic question that one might cover in gr 9 or 10 but instead my friend and I were discussing it now, when he just got his degree and I'm a credit away from mine: why on Earth are there both sine and cosine functions when simply one would do? Either can be expressed in terms of the other with a phase shift of π/2 and there weren't any identities we could think of that would necessitate an entirely new function to express that. My only thought was that maybe standard sine and cosine functions weren't originally posed as themselves, instead having been derived using complex exponentials -- the +/- between the terms could warrant the use of separate functions for a notational convenience. The other thought I had was that maybe they weren't posed first, and were derived from their hyperbolic analogs.
While neither of my suggestions seem likely, we couldn't think of any other reason that we would need to define two functions instead of one function of different arguments.
If anyone has any insight I'd love to hear it. Thanks!
 
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Math students first encounter them in elementary trig., where it is simpler to define them separately, as well as tan. Later on one learns sec, csc, and ctn. Personally I find the last three (also tan) as annoying, so working with trig functions I prefer to reduce everything to sin and cos.

Complex exponential and hyperbolic functions come much later.
 
Maurice7510 said:
This might seem like a really basic question that one might cover in gr 9 or 10 but instead my friend and I were discussing it now, when he just got his degree and I'm a credit away from mine: why on Earth are there both sine and cosine functions when simply one would do? Either can be expressed in terms of the other with a phase shift of π/2 and there weren't any identities we could think of that would necessitate an entirely new function to express that. My only thought was that maybe standard sine and cosine functions weren't originally posed as themselves, instead having been derived using complex exponentials -- the +/- between the terms could warrant the use of separate functions for a notational convenience. The other thought I had was that maybe they weren't posed first, and were derived from their hyperbolic analogs.
While neither of my suggestions seem likely, we couldn't think of any other reason that we would need to define two functions instead of one function of different arguments.
If anyone has any insight I'd love to hear it. Thanks!

This is how the 6 trigonometric functions were originally defined:

trigonometry-functions.gif

Each if the three functions in the first row, sine, cosine, and tangent, has a complementary function defined on the second row, which function is just the multiplicative inverse; for example, cosecant A = 1 / sine A. Sine and cosine are ratios of the opposite and adjacent sides of the triangle with the hypotenuse, and yes, they are connected by the well-known identity sin2 A + cos2 A = 1. The exponential definition of the trig functions came many centuries after the geometrical definition, and the familiar trig identities are probably easier to derive using the geometry of the triangle than trying to manipulate an exponential, at least for teens taking trig for the first time.

Sometimes, most of the utility of defining similar functions is that each is convenient to use in certain situations.
 
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The coordinates of a point on the unit circle are ##(\cos(\theta), \sin(\theta))##. This is a lot more convenent than, say, writing ##(\cos(\theta), \cos(\pi/2 - \theta))##.
 
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I would say that sine, cosine, and tangent are just ratios of sides of a triangle, thus we have three tables to look up on (oops, I'm showing my age). It's only when you get to the unit circle that you run into looking at "why three?"
 
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I would say that sine, cosine, and tangent are just ratios of sides of a triangle, thus we have three tables to look up on (oops, I'm showing my age). It's only when you get to the unit circle that you run into looking at "why three?"

There are several more trig functions which have fallen out of common use, but which once appeared in trig tables:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versine

These other trig functions are defined in terms of the usual sine, cosine, and tangent, but while these functions were once used for surveying, navigation, and astronomy, they seem to have dropped out of regular use. In their heyday, though, they were quite convenient for doing calculations with the aid of trig tables.
 
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Well steamking's explanation and diagram show that sine and cosine at a first glance seem to be two totally different things (one is opposite side/hypotenuse, the other is adjacent side/hypotenuse)

But then again one can see easily , that the sine of the one acute angle ##\phi## of the orthogonal triangle equals to the cosine of the other acute angle which is ##90-\phi##,

So i guess yes we could ve lived and evolve trigonometry with just sine or cosine.Maybe for intuitive reasons it seems more straightforward to say ##cos\phi## than ##sin(90-\phi)##.
 

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