Can the Solar System's Chaos Lead to Earth's Sudden Demise?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential for chaotic dynamics within the solar system to affect Earth's orbital stability over a time frame of 1 million years. Participants explore whether such chaos could lead to significant changes in Earth's position or even its ejection from orbit, contrasting this with the long-term fate of the sun.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the predictability of planetary positions in 1 million years and suggest that Earth could be "kicked out of orbit" as a rapid demise compared to the sun's eventual death.
  • Others argue that the sun's death is still billions of years away, implying that significant changes in the solar system are unlikely within just 1 million years.
  • One participant notes that while the size, shape, and orientation of orbits may be predictable, small errors in calculations can lead to larger discrepancies in position over time.
  • Another participant references research on solar system stability, mentioning numerical experiments by Laskar that provide insights into the topic.
  • It is suggested that the likelihood of Earth being "kicked out of orbit" is incredibly low, especially given the long time span since the Late Heavy Bombardment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the likelihood of significant orbital changes for Earth within a million years. There is no consensus on whether chaotic dynamics could lead to such an outcome, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in predictability due to small errors in orbital calculations and the dependence on various assumptions regarding solar system dynamics.

wolram
Gold Member
Dearly Missed
Messages
4,410
Reaction score
551
Can anyone predict where the planets will be in 1 million years time, could the Earth be kicked out of orbit
a far quicker way to die than waiting for the sun to go nova?
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
wolram said:
Can anyone predict where the planets will be in 1 million years time, could the Earth be kicked out of orbit
a far quicker way to die than waiting for the sun to go nova?

Why do you think like that ?

Sun will die about 4.5 billion years later so I don't think anything will happen.
 
wolram said:
Can anyone predict where the planets will be in 1 million years time

yes, there are computer programs that can do that
Arman777 said:
Why do you think like that ?

Sun will die about 4.5 billion years later so I don't think anything will happen.

indeed

in the full lifetime of the Sun and the rest of the solar system, a million years is less than a tick of the second hand of the time clock
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Tazerfish and Arman777
Size, shape and orientation of the orbit will probably be pretty accurate after 1 million years. Position on this orbit will not. That's because a small error in semi-major axis will lead to a small error in period, which will lead to a small error in position. Year after year, this error builds.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Tazerfish
"Kicked out of orbit" is incredibly unlikely, especially ithing only a million years. Note that we have gone 4000x as long since the Late Heavy Bombardment.
 
Thank you for all the replies, I will have to spend some time looking at these papers.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
6K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
6K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K