Can this gravity problem be solved without using the Earth's mass

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The discussion revolves around calculating the radius of a geosynchronous satellite's orbit without knowing the Earth's mass. Participants suggest that while the mass is typically required, it can be circumvented by using the relationship between gravitational acceleration and the radius of the Earth. By rearranging the gravitational equations, one can express the satellite's orbit radius in terms of the Earth's radius. It is noted that the problem could be clearer if it explicitly asked for the radius as a fraction of the Earth's radius. Overall, the consensus is that a solution is possible without directly using Earth's mass.
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Homework Statement


A satellite orbits the Earth in a geosynchronous orbit around the equator, meaning that its period is 24 hours and it stays above the same location on Earth at all times. (G = 6.67 x 10⁻¹¹ Nm²/kg².) What is the radius of its orbit?

Homework Equations


GM/r2 = v2/r = w2r

The Attempt at a Solution


I can solve this if the mass of Earth is given but since it isn't I'd like to know if there is a way to solve this without using Earth's mass
 
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hndalama said:

Homework Statement


A satellite orbits the Earth in a geosynchronous orbit around the equator, meaning that its period is 24 hours and it stays above the same location on Earth at all times. (G = 6.67 x 10⁻¹¹ Nm²/kg².) What is the radius of its orbit?

Homework Equations


GM/r2 = v2/r = w2r

The Attempt at a Solution


I can solve this if the mass of Earth is given but since it isn't I'd like to know if there is a way to solve this without using Earth's mass

You know that g = GM/re2, rearrange this to give you the expression for M then go from there
 
lychette said:
You know that g = GM/re2, rearrange this to give you the expression for M then go from there
Sure, but then re needs to be looked up.
 
This is true enough and in general I think that re is given in data tables rather than M.(certainly in A level reference tables)
Also the combination GM usually crops up on both side of gravitational equations and therefore cancel out
In this example for the Earth gE = GME/rE2 and for the satellite gs = GME/rs2
This gives gErE2 = gsrs2
knowing that gs = v2/rs and further substitution enables rs to be calculated.
If re is not given then an answer can still be obtained in terms of re
 
lychette said:
If re is not given then an answer can still be obtained in terms of re
This is, of course, correct. Perhaps the problem should have asked
What is the radius of its orbit as a fraction of the Earth's radius[/color]?
to make things clear.
 
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