Can this machine handle increased torque?

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The discussion centers on upgrading an old horizontal blade mixer from a 7.5HP motor to a 30HP motor to handle the increased torque required for mixing viscoelastic materials. The current motor draws 2.5 times the maximum rated current under load, indicating insufficient power. The user plans to install a variable frequency drive to reduce mixing speed from 65RPM to 20RPM, aiming to mitigate pushback forces on the mixing blades. The feasibility of this upgrade is uncertain, as process engineering firms have declined to assist, prompting the user to seek guidance on assessing the mechanical limits of the existing components.

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  • Understanding of motor specifications and power requirements
  • Familiarity with variable frequency drives (VFDs)
  • Basic principles of mechanical design and load calculations
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  • Study "Machinery's Handbook" for insights on gear and shaft design
  • Learn about torque calculations and load distribution in mechanical systems
  • Investigate the properties of mild steel and its suitability for mixing blades
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This discussion is beneficial for mechanical engineers, process engineers, and hobbyists interested in machinery upgrades and mechanical design principles, particularly those working with older equipment and custom modifications.

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I have a big, old horizontal blade mixer. There is no indication as to who manufactured it. No clue what year it was made...somewhere between 1910 and 1952. It currently has a 7.5HP motor. I tried mixing my viscoelastic goo. The ammeter showed the motor drawing about 2.5x the maximum rated current (and whining like no tomorrow!) until I shut it down. Empty, the machine draws about 30% of the maximum current.

Through various means, I have estimated that I need about 15-20HP to mix my goo. A modern 30HP motor is the same frame size as the old 7.5HP unit. So I plan to upgrade from 7.5HP to 30HP. That should give me some margin as well. I'll install a variable frequency drive to reduce the speed of the mixing blades from current 65RPM to about 20RPM. That should help reduce some of the viscoelastic pushback from the material and reduce forces on the mixing blades.

I am trying to figure out if this is even feasible. I have had two process engineering firms look at it and walk...they don't want to take a chance on it...and the job is too small for them to be interested in chance. They'd much rather spec out a new $150,000 machine for me.

So, it is left to me, the non-engineer, former computer science guy, to figure out if I am better off selling it and getting a different machine vs. giving it a try.

The 7.5HP motor runs at 1800RPM and a gear/sprocket on the shaft drives a 3" wide steel chain. The chain delivers power to a gear on a shaft. Then power goes through a series of gears (my guess is a 3:1 and a 10:1) until the mixing arms rotate at ~60RPM. The drive shafts are about 2 1/2" diameter.

I don't know exactly what type of metal/alloy anything is made of. The gears look pretty good once I removed 60 years of gummed up crud from them. They are kind of golden colored metal when clean. A screwdriver doesn't scratch them. They don't appear to be scored or worn down. An occassional nick or cracked tooth is all I found.

I am willing to chance breaking gears and shafts. I just really don't want to break the sigma mixing blades since they cost more to replace than what I paid for the machine.

BTW, someone suggested to me that the mixing blades and bowl were mild steel.

How do I even start? It seems like step 1 is to figure if the shafts and gears can take the load. Step 2 is more complicated math to figure if the sigma blades can handle the forces applied to them.

Your expertise is appreciated! I love to learn and I love to tinker.

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To make a long story short, you will need to do some basic machine design calculations for the shaft, gears, and blades.

A very good reference for this is Machine Design chapters in: "Mechanical Engineering Reference Manual for the PE Exam" by Lindeburg. Machinery's Handbook is also a good source.
 

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