Operating Machine A with Machine B: A Technical Guide

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The discussion revolves around the technical feasibility of operating Machine A, which requires 3000 rpm and 10 Nm of torque, using Machine B, a motor rated at 1500 rpm and 7 Nm. Participants explore the implications of using gears to connect the two machines, including power requirements, torque, and rpm adjustments.

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  • One participant calculates that Machine A requires 3.1 kW of power, while Machine B can only deliver 1.1 kW, suggesting that the design values cannot be met with the current setup.
  • Another participant notes that maximum torque occurs at zero rpm and maximum rpm occurs with zero torque, indicating that a more powerful motor is necessary to operate Machine A.
  • There is a suggestion that using gears can increase rpm while reducing torque, but this would come with losses, and the motor's inability to deliver the required torque at the specified rpm must be considered.
  • A later reply questions the possibility of using a different motor (Motor A) rated at 750 rpm and 14 Nm to see if it could work with Machine A.

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Participants generally agree that the current motor (Machine B) is insufficient to operate Machine A as required. However, there is disagreement on the potential solutions, particularly regarding the use of gears and alternative motors.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations for gear sizes and the implications of using different motors, as well as the effects of losses in the gear system.

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Engineers and technicians interested in mechanical design, motor specifications, and power transmission systems may find this discussion relevant.

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Dear Engineers,

Asslam u Alaikum(May peace be upon all of you)

I have machine A, rotates at 3000 rpm and required torque to rotate is 10 NM.
I want to operator this machine with an other machine B(motor) of 1500 rpm which can gives the torque of 7 NM max.
bc i m Electrical person and don't know much about this so I hv following questions

1. Can I operate it by using 2 gears,1 to shaft of machine A and 2nd to the shaft of machine B?
2. How can i calculate the gears size to meet the torque and rpm?
3. will the load of machine B increase in this case, even using gears? bc I don't want big difference in current.

regards

zafar
 
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If machine A requires 3000rpm with a torque of 10Nm, it needs a power of 3000rpm*10Nm*2pi = 3.1kW.
Your motor can deliver a maximum of 1500rpm*7Nm*2pi = 1.1kW. Gears cannot produce energy out of nowhere - there is no way to operate machine A with your design values with motor B. You have to reduce revolution frequency or torque, or use a more powerful motor.
 
For an idealized motor, max torque occurs at zero rpm (stalled) and max rpm occurs with zero torque (no load). Maximum power occurs at 1/2 max rpm with 1/2 the max torque. As mentioned above, you need a more powerful motor.
 
mfb said:
If machine A requires 3000rpm with a torque of 10Nm, it needs a power of 3000rpm*10Nm*2pi = 3.1kW.
Your motor can deliver a maximum of 1500rpm*7Nm*2pi = 1.1kW. Gears cannot produce energy out of nowhere - there is no way to operate machine A with your design values with motor B. You have to reduce revolution frequency or torque, or use a more powerful motor.

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thanks for your reply

So is there any way to increase rpm of machine A using gears on machine B, i. e. by increasing the torque of machine B and using a rather larger gears set, I mean what will happen if i use a motor A of 750 rpm which gives the torque of 14 NM.
 
Motor A, machine A? I am confused.

Gears can increase rpm and reduce torque, or reduce rpm and increase torque - always with some losses of course.
If your motor cannot deliver the given maximal torque value at the given rpm value, you also have to take into account the effect rcgldr mentioned.
 

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