Can We Assume Equality of Complex Numbers Based on Their Norm?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether the equality of norms of two complex numbers implies their equality. Participants explore the implications of this relationship in the context of complex numbers, comparing it to similar situations in real numbers.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the equality of norms, |z| = |w|*|r|, implies z = w*r, drawing a parallel to real numbers.
  • Another participant points out that while the equality of norms can hold for real numbers, it does not imply equality, as shown by the example |1| = |1|*|-1|.
  • A different participant agrees that the statement is false and suggests that if |z| = |w|*|r|, then -z = w*r could be a valid conclusion.
  • One participant emphasizes that complex numbers have an infinite number of values sharing the same norm, thus |z| = |w| does not imply z = w.
  • Another participant illustrates the concept by describing a circle in the complex plane, where every point on the circle has the same norm, reinforcing the idea that multiple complex numbers can share a norm without being equal.
  • A later reply acknowledges the complexity of the question and reflects on the need to revisit linear algebra concepts to understand the relationship between norms and equality in complex numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the equality of norms does not imply the equality of complex numbers, with multiple viewpoints presented on the implications and examples illustrating this point. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of specific mathematical statements.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the multiplicative properties of square roots and the nature of complex numbers, indicating that assumptions about equality based on norms may depend on the definitions and properties of complex numbers versus real numbers.

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This question might be elementary:
If the norm of two complex numbers is equal, can we deduce that the two complex numbers are equal.
I know in ℝ we can just look at this as an absolute value, but what about ℂ?

So mainly:

let |z| = |w|*|r| can we say → z = w*r ?

Thanks
 
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|1|=|1|*|-1|
It can be violated with real numbers, and every real number is a complex number.

The other direction is true, of course.
 
Yes because square roots are multiplicative, but your statement above is false on the following grounds.

assuming w and r are complex you would have to say that:
|z| = |w|*|r| we can say → -z = w*r
 
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That's a strange question. You appear to know that if |a|= |b| for real numbers, then it does NOT follow that a= b but are you thinking that with complex numbers we might not have that ambiguity? In fact, for complex numbers the situation is much worse!

In the real numbers, if |a|= 1 then a can be either 1 or -1. In the complex numbers there are an infinite number of possible values for a. There exist an infinite number of complex numbers, a, such that |a|= 1.
 
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Complex numbers, much like vectors, are quantities defined by both a modulus (norm) AND an argument (direction). An infinity of complex numbers share the same norm, but have different arguments. The other way around is also true.

Therefore, |z| = |w| does not imply z = w.
 
Bachelier said:
This question might be elementary:
If the norm of two complex numbers is equal, can we deduce that the two complex numbers are equal.
I know in ℝ we can just look at this as an absolute value, but what about ℂ?
Draw a circle in the complex plane, centered at 0, with radius R. Every point on that circle has norm equal to R. Thus, except for the R = 0 case, there are infinitely many points with the same norm.
 
HallsofIvy said:
That's a strange question. You appear to know that if |a|= |b| for real numbers, then it does NOT follow that a= b but are you thinking that with complex numbers we might not have that ambiguity? In fact, for complex numbers the situation is much worse!

In the real numbers, if |a|= 1 then a can be either 1 or -1. In the complex numbers there are an infinite number of possible values for a. There exist an infinite number of complex numbers, a, such that |a|= 1.

lol...indeed it is a strange question. I just needed to brush up on my linear algebra a little and apply the vector normalization to get an equality. I don't know why this idea crossed my mind.

Thank you all for the great clarifications.
 

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