Can We Construct a Triangle with Given Lengths and Find Its Area?

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The discussion centers around the possibility of constructing a triangle given specific lengths derived from variables \(a\), \(b\), \(c\), and \(d\), and subsequently finding the area of that triangle. The focus includes both the geometric construction and the application of relevant formulas.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that a triangle can be constructed with the lengths \(\sqrt{b^2+c^2}\), \(\sqrt{a^2+c^2+d^2+2ac}\), and \(\sqrt{a^2+b^2+d^2+2bd}\).
  • Another participant hints at a method or formula that may assist in the proof or calculation.
  • A later reply questions the application of Archimedes' formula in this context, suggesting a potential misapplication.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the validity of the proposed triangle construction or the correctness of the area calculation method, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions under which the triangle can be constructed and the applicability of Archimedes' formula to the area calculation.

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$a,b,c,d >0$,
please prove we can construct an triangle with length:
$\sqrt{b^2+c^2},\sqrt{a^2+c^2+d^2+2ac},\sqrt{a^2+b^2+d^2+2bd}$
and find the area of the triangle
 
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Let
Q1 = b^2 + c^2;
Q2 = a^2 + c^2 + d^2 + 2 a c;
Q3 = a^2 + b^2 + d^2 + 2 b d;

Using: 16 Area^2 = Archimedes[ Q1, Q2, Q3]

I get
Area = $$\frac{1}{4} \sqrt{4 \left(b^2+c^2\right) \left(a^2+2 a c+c^2+d^2\right)-\left(2 a^2+2 a c+2 b^2+2 b d+2 c^2+2 d^2\right)^2}$$
 
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Removing triangle areas from rectangle:

ABCD = (a + c) (b + d);
AEF = c b/2;
DCF = a (b + d)/2;
BCE = d (a + c)/2;
A = ABCD - AEF - DCF - BCE
FullSimplify[A]

A = $\frac{1}{2} (a b+c (b+d))$
 
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RLBrown said:
Let
Q1 = b^2 + c^2;
Q2 = a^2 + c^2 + d^2 + 2 a c;
Q3 = a^2 + b^2 + d^2 + 2 b d;

Using: 16 Area^2 = Archimedes[ Q1, Q2, Q3]

I get
Area = $$\frac{1}{4} \sqrt{4 \left(b^2+c^2\right) \left(a^2+2 a c+c^2+d^2\right)-\left(2 a^2+2 a c+2 b^2+2 b d+2 c^2+2 d^2\right)^2}$$

Miss Application of Archimedes Formula:
CORRECTION:
Q1=b^2+c^2;
Q2=a^2+c^2+d^2+2 a c;
Q3=a^2+b^2+d^2+2 b d;
Arc = 4 Q1 Q2 -( Q1+ Q2-Q3 )^2
$$\text{FullSimplify}\left[\sqrt{\frac{\text{Arc}}{16}}\right]$$
$$\frac{1}{2} (a b+c (b+d))$$
 
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