Can we discover new theorems by analyzing their proofs?

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The discussion revolves around the process of discovering new mathematical theorems through the analysis of their proofs. Participants explore various methods and insights related to theorem generation, including intuition, pattern recognition, and the role of creativity in mathematics. The conversation spans theoretical considerations, personal experiences, and the challenges faced in advanced mathematics.

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  • Some participants suggest that visualizing geometric figures can help in guessing theorems, while others question how this applies to more abstract mathematics.
  • There is mention of using examples to identify patterns that may lead to conjectures, but participants acknowledge that patterns may not always hold true.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of intuition and experience in recognizing potential theorems, while another highlights the role of creativity in the process.
  • Several contributions discuss the challenges of proposing theorems in abstract mathematics, with some arguing that concrete examples can aid in understanding.
  • There are differing opinions on the relationship between conjectures and proofs, with some asserting that proofs and theorems are developed simultaneously, while others argue that a theorem must be stated before a proof can be constructed.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the existence of a systematic method for generating theorems, with some suggesting that creativity plays a crucial role.
  • Concerns are raised about the qualifications of participants to advise on advanced proofs, with calls for more foundational understanding before tackling complex topics.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the methods for discovering theorems or the relationship between conjectures and proofs. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the nature of creativity in mathematics and the prerequisites for providing guidance on advanced proofs.

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Some participants express uncertainty about their own proof skills and the implications of their experiences on their ability to advise others. There is also mention of specific mathematical concepts and the potential for misunderstanding foundational principles.

  • #31
"Necessity is the mother of invention"

Most theorems are invented to be used to prove something so that ultimately, people can use it for something else (maybe more proofs or physics/engineering).
 
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One of my professors suggested analyzing the proof of a theorem you have learned, and noticing whether it really uses all the hypotheses it has. If not, you can prove a more general theorem by omitting that unnecessary hypothesis. Sometimes your theorem will prove less, but still be new.

Here is an example: George Kempf proved that when one considers the birational map from the symmetric power of a curve to the theta divisor in its jacobian, the tangent map is a birational surjection from the normal bundle of the fiber, to the tangent cone of the theta divisor.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1970910?origin=crossref&seq=1

My colleague and I noticed that in the case of a Prym variety, where one again has a map from a divisor variety to the theta divisor of the Prym variety, even though it is not birational, the tangent map on the normal bundle is sometimes still a surjection onto the tangent cone of the theta divisor. This allows one to understand the tangent cone of the theta divisor almost as well as in the birational case. The essential similarity was the fact that in both examples, Jacobian and Prym, the fibers of the original parametrizing map were smooth subvarieties, i.e. the derivative of the parametrizing map vanished only along tangents to the fiber. Using that in the case where the Prym divisor variety was also smooth, which always holds for Jacobians, gave the new result, by essentially the same proof as the old one. I.e. the key point in finding a new theorem, was noticing that the key property was not one of the overtly mentioned hypotheses, but one of the facts hidden in the proof. In the words of my professor, "try to find a theorem whose proof proves more than it claims to."

https://www.math.uga.edu/sites/default/files/inline-files/sv2rst.pdf

It is not at all easy to find interesting new theorems however by this or any other strategy. This example is several decades old, and even with the collaboration of brilliant colleagues, I contributed to producing less than one paper a year during my career. Kempf's beautiful theorem itself built on insights he unearthed in a wonderful paper of Andreotti and Mayer, and others shown him by David Mumford.

That history is discussed in the appendix to this paper:
https://www.math.uga.edu/sites/default/files/inline-files/onparam.pdfanother idea that relates to your post #29, is to read the statement of a theorem in your book and then close the book and try to prove it yourself. This forces you to think of the idea for the proof, or at least how to begin. This exercise is usually not completely successful, but even if you only get the very faintest first idea, you already have jumped the hurdle of finding out how to begin. And if you in fact prove it yourself, often by a somewhat different proof, you may have already proved a new result, maybe a slightly stronger version. I read this advice in a famous article of Zariski, a pioneer of american algebraic geometry.
 
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