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The discussion revolves around the topic of visualizing atoms, particularly through techniques like Transmission Electron Microscopy (TEM). Participants share insights, express confusion about specific images, and reference related literature, exploring both the technological advancements and conceptual implications of seeing atomic structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express appreciation for the article and its clarity regarding atom visualization.
  • One participant raises a question about the interpretation of TEM images, specifically whether atoms appear as bright or dark spots, citing conflicting captions in the article.
  • Another participant notes that the appearance of atoms in TEM images can depend on whether the image is dark field or bright field.
  • A participant humorously reflects on the philosophical implications of seeing atoms and other celestial bodies, questioning the nature of perception and existence.
  • There is a technical correction regarding the visualization of electron wavefunctions, with a participant suggesting that what is visualized is actually the charge density of the electron field rather than the wavefunction itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express a mix of appreciation for the article and confusion regarding specific technical details, indicating that multiple views and uncertainties remain regarding the interpretation of TEM images and the nature of atomic visualization.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the interpretation of TEM images and the definitions of terms related to atomic visualization, which may depend on the context of the imaging technique used.

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Can We See an Atom?

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Kudos on your Insights article. Your explanations and graphics helped make it clear.
 
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I've seen many of these "atom" photos online. Nice to get some explanations!
 
Thank You for this really nice article !
 
eq66 said:
Thank You for this really nice article !
Glad you liked it!
 
Very interesting.

But I'm confused with the image just below the text that reads: "The technology has improved over the years, and now it is possible perform TEM on single-layer graphene and see the atomic structure from a sheet of carbon, which I think is pretty impressive."

This illustration pretty clearly shows carbon atoms as *light* spots, not dark spots. But the caption to the immediately previous image reads: "The bright spots on the image are regions where there are fewer atoms blocking the electrons."

In a TEM image, are the atoms bright, or are they dark?
 
Great job, Klotza!
 
Amrator said:
Great job, Klotza!
Thanks!
 
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zinq said:
Very interesting.

But I'm confused with the image just below the text that reads: "The technology has improved over the years, and now it is possible perform TEM on single-layer graphene and see the atomic structure from a sheet of carbon, which I think is pretty impressive."

This illustration pretty clearly shows carbon atoms as *light* spots, not dark spots. But the caption to the immediately previous image reads: "The bright spots on the image are regions where there are fewer atoms blocking the electrons."

In a TEM image, are the atoms bright, or are they dark?
it depends whether they're dark field or bright field image.
 
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How did Ernst Mach say: "Ah Atome! Ham's scho ans g'sehn?" (Ah atoms! Did you already see one?)
 
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"Can We See an Atom?"

Heck, I've never seen my face. I'm sure I got one.

Have we ever seen the sun, much less other stars? We see their light, yet where are they when we finally perceive them? You can do the math; it's hurting my head to figure it. I am sure these heavenly bodies aren't where they were when we finally perceive their light.

Have we seen the Higgs boson?

<detour> Higgs boson walks into church. Priest says, we don't allow Higgs boson in here. Higgs boson says, yeah, but without me how can you have mass? </detour>

Stick a fork in me. :)
 
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''the tunneling probability depends on the electron density of the surface, so you can actually visualize the wavefunction of the unbound surface electrons, in the images.'' The second half is not quite true, as the wave function of the electrons is a multiparticle wave function and we see something in 3 dimensions. What is visualized is the charge density of the electron field.
 

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