Can we simplify calculating large sums of numbers?

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The discussion revolves around methods for simplifying the calculation of large sums of numbers, particularly focusing on distinct digit combinations and their contributions to the overall sum. It includes mathematical reasoning and attempts to generalize the approach for different sets of digits.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Exploratory

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  • One participant proposes expressing a number in the form of $$100A+10B+C$$ to facilitate the calculation of sums.
  • Another participant calculates the sum $S$ based on the frequency of digit appearances and suggests a formula involving the sum of the first $n$ integers.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the resulting value of the sum, specifically questioning if it equals $30*111*28$.
  • A later reply confirms the computed sum as $93240$ and introduces a generalization for summing $m$ digit numbers with distinct digits, proposing a new formula for verification.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in proving the generalized formula presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the computed sum of $93240$, but there is no consensus on the validity of the generalized formula for distinct digit sums, as one participant expresses uncertainty about proving it.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the distinctness of digits and the range of digits used, which may affect the generalization proposed. The mathematical steps leading to the generalized formula remain unresolved.

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View attachment 6242 uhh, how would we get a better way?
 

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I think I would express one particular number that can be made as:

$$100A+10B+C$$

There are $7\cdot6\cdot5=210$ different numbers that can be made, with each digit appearing $30$ times. Hence the sum $S$ will be given by:

$$S=30\cdot100\cdot\sum_{k=1}^{7}(k)+30\cdot10\cdot\sum_{k=1}^{7}(k)+30\cdot\sum_{k=1}^{7}(k)=30(100+10+1)\cdot\sum_{k=1}^{7}(k)=30\cdot111\cdot\sum_{k=1}^{7}(k)$$

Use the formula:

$$\sum_{k=1}^{n}(k)=\frac{n(n+1)}{2}$$

To complete the computation of the sum. :)
 
so is the answer 30*111*28?
 
Ilikebugs said:
so is the answer 30*111*28?

You are one step closer...now carry out the multiplication to get the number. :D
 
Is the sum 93240
 
Ilikebugs said:
Is the sum 93240

That's what I get. :D

As a follow-up, let's generalize a little here and say that the list of possible digits is $\{1,2,\cdots,n\}$ and we are going to sum up all the $m$ digit numbers having distinct digits, where $m\le n\le9$. Can you verify that:

$$S=\frac{1}{n}\prod_{k=n-m+1}^{n}(k)\cdot\sum_{k=0}^{m-1}\left(10^k\right)\cdot\sum_{k=1}^{n}(k)$$
 
No, I'm bad at proving things
 

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