Can we visually detect subparticles using visible light?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of visually detecting subparticles, specifically electrons, using visible light. Participants explore concepts related to scattering, imaging techniques, and the nature of particles in relation to light detection.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that shining visible light on an electron could lead to re-emission of that light, potentially allowing for detection through sophisticated cameras.
  • Others mention Thomson scattering as a relevant phenomenon where electrons scatter visible light.
  • A participant questions the existence of a "real image" of an electron, prompting discussions about imaging techniques like Scanning Tunneling Microscopy (STM) and Cathode Ray Tubes.
  • There is a suggestion to research the sensitivity of CCD detectors and the thermal speed of electrons to better understand the imaging limitations.
  • One participant raises a question about the possibility of visible light emission during Compton scattering under specific conditions.
  • Links to articles claiming to show images of electron orbits are shared, though the validity of these images is debated.
  • Concerns are expressed about the nature of what constitutes an "image" of a particle, with references to the limitations of photographic representations.
  • Discussion includes the biological response of the human eye to photons and the implications of fast particles interacting with it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of detecting electrons visually, with no consensus reached on the nature of imaging subparticles or the validity of proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of "image," the complexity of particle interactions with light, and the unresolved nature of how various imaging techniques can represent subatomic particles.

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Readers interested in particle physics, imaging techniques in science, and the conceptual challenges of visualizing subatomic particles may find this discussion relevant.

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If we shine visible light on a electron (or place it on a electric field), the electron would re-emit that visible light so that we can see it. Not directly with our eyes, because its high velocity, but maybe with a sophisticated camera. Why is it not possible?

And I am sorry for my poor English
 
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kent davidge said:
If we shine visible light on a electron (or place it on a electric field), the electron would re-emit that visible light so that we can see it.
This is called Thomson scattering
 
Dale said:
This is called Thomson scattering
Then where can I find a real image of an electron ?
 
kent davidge said:
Then where can I find a real image of an electron ?
On the face of a Cathode Ray Tube... :smile:
 
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kent davidge said:
Then where can I find a real image of an electron ?
What can you tell me about photography. What can you tell me about Thomson scattering? Think it through a bit. Research CCD detectors and their sensitivity. Research the thermal speed of a typical electron. Then try to answer your own question.
 
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Oh cool. Is there a link to some website to a image of an electron captured either by STM or CCD on internet? And I was wondering if in the Compton Scattering it's possible to cause the electron to emit visible light if we drop visible light on it and the scattered photon is emitted at an angle of 0°. Is it possible?
 
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berkeman said:
On the face of a Cathode Ray Tube... :smile:

Ridiculous!... Is a white patch on a black and white photograph an 'image of a photon'
 
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lychette said:
Ridiculous!... Is a white patch on a black and white photograph an 'image of a photon'
I was expecting to see something like a point particle as the electrons are presented in textbooks
 
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If a photon hits your eye, it will excite some rod or cone in your retina. I think it takes many photons to excite the retinal cell to a level where it "registers". So you'll get some point spread due to the fact that you have a distribution of many photons hitting many points in your eye.

As far as various fast particles hitting your eye -- maybe you'll see some blue glow due to ionizations in your vitreous matter. And you probably should get out of there.
 
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