Can yaw motion still occur in a quadcopter in vacuum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of yaw motion in quadcopters, particularly in a vacuum environment. Participants explore whether yaw can still occur when motor torques are imbalanced, despite the absence of air as a medium for thrust generation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether yaw motion can occur in a vacuum if the motors are generating torque without a load, suggesting that the propellers typically provide this load in air.
  • Another participant proposes that if an external load is added to the propellers, yaw could still be achieved in a vacuum.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the moment of inertia of the propellers must be considered for generating yaw, referencing the use of reaction wheels in spacecraft for steering.
  • There is a mention of the MIT Cubli and its use of flywheels to create torque, with a focus on the technique of rapidly decelerating flywheels to achieve motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of yaw motion in a vacuum, with no consensus reached on the conditions required for this motion to occur.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the role of air density in generating load on motors and the implications of using alternative methods to create torque in a vacuum.

Kyle Broflovski
So I recently developed an interest in quad-rotors and was getting stated with its dynamics. I am particularly intrigued by the yaw motion of a quad-copter which comes into effect as a result of torques of the motors. When the motor torques are variable, we observe the yaw motion as result of a non-zero torque on the system. But I was wondering if we would still observe yaw in vacuum(if we manually suspend the quad in vacuum) by create an imbalance in the the motor torques. What do you guys think?
 
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How could the motors be generating any torque if there is no load on them ?
 
Nidum said:
How could the motors be generating any torque if there is no load on them ?
Without vacuum the load for a single motor is the propeller which is being spun to generate thrust. The bigger the propeller the more the torque need to move them. This load will fluctuate if the density of the medium(air) changes. In absence of air, if this load is provided by some other means(like adding some heavy weight to the props), then the quad should yaw, Right?
 
You would have to accelerate/decelerate the prop using its moment of inertia. Perhaps see the reaction wheels used to steer the Hubble telescope.
 
CWatters said:
You would have to accelerate/decelerate the prop using its moment of inertia. Perhaps see the reaction wheels used to steer the Hubble telescope.
Is that how MIT's Cubli maneuvers too?
 
Yes.

You can actually see the flywheels accelerate when the cube is pushed at about 1min 7seconds. Later at around 1m 48s they show how the cube gets up onto an edge and then a corner. In this case it sounds like they spin up the flywheels slowly and then suddenly decelerate them to provide the torque required. They appear to use the same trick when "walking". My guess is they found decelerating the flywheels rapidly is easier than trying to just accelerate them rapidly.
 

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