Can You Crack This Advanced Trigonometry Problem?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a complex trigonometric expression involving multiple angles and identities. Participants explore various approaches to simplify or solve the expression, sharing insights and identities related to trigonometric functions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a detailed evaluation of the expression, utilizing Chebyshev polynomials and roots of equations related to sine functions.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about whether there is an elementary solution to the problem, questioning the necessity of the complex approach used.
  • Several participants discuss a specific identity involving tangent functions, with one participant unsure if the identity can be applied directly without proof.
  • Another participant shares additional trigonometric identities, including products of sine and cosine functions, and their relationships to tangent functions.
  • There is a light-hearted exchange regarding sharing identities in return for a cup of coffee, indicating a friendly atmosphere among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally engage in a collaborative exploration of the problem, but there is no consensus on the necessity of the complex methods used or the direct application of certain identities. The discussion remains open-ended with various viewpoints presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the application of specific trigonometric identities and whether they require proof before use. The discussion includes assumptions about the validity of certain mathematical approaches without resolving them.

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Readers interested in advanced trigonometry, mathematical problem-solving, and the exploration of trigonometric identities may find this discussion beneficial.

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Evaluate:
$$\frac{1}{\cos^210^{\circ}}+\frac{1}{\sin^220^{ \circ }}+\frac{1}{\sin^240^{\circ}}-\frac{1}{\cos^245^{\circ}}$$
 
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[sp]First, $$\begin{aligned}\frac{1}{\cos^210^{\circ}}+\frac{1}{\sin^220^{ \circ }}+\frac{1}{\sin^240^{\circ}}-\frac{1}{\cos^245^{\circ}} &= \Bigl(\frac{1}{\sin^220^{ \circ }}+\frac{1}{\sin^240^{\circ}} +\frac{1}{\sin^260^{\circ}} +\frac{1}{\sin^280^{\circ}}\Bigr) - \frac{1}{\sin^260^{\circ}} - \frac{1}{\cos^245^{\circ}} \\ &= \Bigl(\frac{1}{\sin^220^{ \circ }}+\frac{1}{\sin^240^{\circ}} +\frac{1}{\sin^260^{\circ}} +\frac{1}{\sin^280^{\circ}}\Bigr) - \frac43 -2.\end{aligned}$$ Next, $\theta=20^\circ$, $\theta= 40^\circ$, $\theta= 60^\circ$ and $\theta= 80^\circ$ all satisfy $\sin(9\theta) = 0$. But $\sin(9\theta) = T_9(\sin\theta)$, where $T_9$ is the Chebyshev polynomial $T_9(x) = 256x^9 - 576x^7 + 432x^5 - 120x^3 + 9x.$ Thus $x = \sin(20k^\circ)\ (k=1,2,3,4)$ are all roots of that polynomial. Dividing by $x$ (because we want to ignore the root $x=0$) and then replacing $x$ by $x^2$, we see that $x = \sin^2(20k^\circ)\ (k=1,2,3,4)$ are the roots of $256x^4 - 576x^3 + 432x^2 - 120x + 9.$ Then replacing $x$ by $1/x$ (and multiplying through by $x^4$), it follows that $x = \dfrac1{\sin^2(20k^\circ)}\ (k=1,2,3,4)$ are the roots of $9x^4 - 120 x^3 + 432 x^2 - 576x^3 + 256 = 0.$ The sum of the roots is $\dfrac{120}9 = \dfrac{40}3.$ Therefore $$\frac{1}{\cos^210^{\circ}}+\frac{1}{\sin^220^{ \circ }}+\frac{1}{\sin^240^{\circ}}-\frac{1}{\cos^245^{\circ}} = \frac{40}3 - \frac43 - 2 = 10.$$[/sp]
 
Opalg said:
[sp]First, $$\begin{aligned}\frac{1}{\cos^210^{\circ}}+\frac{1}{\sin^220^{ \circ }}+\frac{1}{\sin^240^{\circ}}-\frac{1}{\cos^245^{\circ}} &= \Bigl(\frac{1}{\sin^220^{ \circ }}+\frac{1}{\sin^240^{\circ}} +\frac{1}{\sin^260^{\circ}} +\frac{1}{\sin^280^{\circ}}\Bigr) - \frac{1}{\sin^260^{\circ}} - \frac{1}{\cos^245^{\circ}} \\ &= \Bigl(\frac{1}{\sin^220^{ \circ }}+\frac{1}{\sin^240^{\circ}} +\frac{1}{\sin^260^{\circ}} +\frac{1}{\sin^280^{\circ}}\Bigr) - \frac43 -2.\end{aligned}$$ Next, $\theta=20^\circ$, $\theta= 40^\circ$, $\theta= 60^\circ$ and $\theta= 80^\circ$ all satisfy $\sin(9\theta) = 0$. But $\sin(9\theta) = T_9(\sin\theta)$, where $T_9$ is the Chebyshev polynomial $T_9(x) = 256x^9 - 576x^7 + 432x^5 - 120x^3 + 9x.$ Thus $x = \sin(20k^\circ)\ (k=1,2,3,4)$ are all roots of that polynomial. Dividing by $x$ (because we want to ignore the root $x=0$) and then replacing $x$ by $x^2$, we see that $x = \sin^2(20k^\circ)\ (k=1,2,3,4)$ are the roots of $256x^4 - 576x^3 + 432x^2 - 120x + 9.$ Then replacing $x$ by $1/x$ (and multiplying through by $x^4$), it follows that $x = \dfrac1{\sin^2(20k^\circ)}\ (k=1,2,3,4)$ are the roots of $9x^4 - 120 x^3 + 432 x^2 - 576x^3 + 256 = 0.$ The sum of the roots is $\dfrac{120}9 = \dfrac{40}3.$ Therefore $$\frac{1}{\cos^210^{\circ}}+\frac{1}{\sin^220^{ \circ }}+\frac{1}{\sin^240^{\circ}}-\frac{1}{\cos^245^{\circ}} = \frac{40}3 - \frac43 - 2 = 10.$$[/sp]

Thanks Opalg for your participation, your answer is correct. :)

Btw, is their any elementary solution to this? I wonder if the problem really involves the use of such complicated approach as it is a problem from one of my past test papers.
 
My solution:

$\begin{align*}\dfrac{1}{\cos^210^{\circ}}+\dfrac{1}{\sin^220^{ \circ }}+\dfrac{1}{\sin^240^{\circ}}-\dfrac{1}{\cos^245^{\circ}}&=\sec^210^{\circ}+\csc^220^{ \circ }+\csc^240^{\circ}-2\\&=3+\tan^210^{\circ}+\cot^220^{ \circ }+\cot^240^{\circ}-2\\&=1+\tan^210^{\circ}+\tan^270^{ \circ }+\tan^250^{\circ}\\&=1+9\tan^230^{\circ}+6\\&=10 \end{align*}$
 
anemone said:
My solution:

$\begin{align*}\dfrac{1}{\cos^210^{\circ}}+\dfrac{1}{\sin^220^{ \circ }}+\dfrac{1}{\sin^240^{\circ}}-\dfrac{1}{\cos^245^{\circ}}&=\sec^210^{\circ}+\csc^220^{ \circ }+\csc^240^{\circ}-2\\&=3+\tan^210^{\circ}+\cot^220^{ \circ }+\cot^240^{\circ}-2\\&=1+\tan^210^{\circ}+\tan^270^{ \circ }+\tan^250^{\circ}\\&=1+9\tan^230^{\circ}+6\\&=10 \end{align*}$

Excellent! :cool:

But can you please explain how do you get the following:
[sp]$$1+\tan^210^{\circ}+\tan^270^{ \circ }+\tan^250^{\circ}=1+9\tan^230^{\circ}+6$$[/sp]

Thanks! :)
 
Pranav said:
Excellent! :cool:

But can you please explain how do you get the following:
[sp]$$1+\tan^210^{\circ}+\tan^270^{ \circ }+\tan^250^{\circ}=1+9\tan^230^{\circ}+6$$[/sp]

Thanks! :)

Sure!

Do you know there is such an identity that tells us $\tan^2x^{\circ}+\tan^2(60-x)^{ \circ }+\tan^2(60+x)^{\circ}=9\tan^2(3x)^{\circ}+6$ ?

That is the exact identity that I used to translate the messy sum of three square terms of tangent functions into number!:)

But seriously though, I don't know for sure if we could just use that identity right away or we needed to prove it first before applying.(Thinking)
 
Thanks anemone! :)

anemone said:
Do you know there is such an identity that tells us $\tan^2x^{\circ}+\tan^2(60-x)^{ \circ }+\tan^2(60+x)^{\circ}=9\tan^2(3x)^{\circ}+6$ ?
Nope, never heard of it, are there any more of identities of this kind? That looks very useful.
 
Pranav said:
Thanks anemone! :)

Nope, never heard of it, are there any more of identities of this kind? That looks very useful.

You're welcome, Pranav...yes, there are still a few more in my notebook, but, what would I get in return, hehehe...perhaps a cup of coffee?(Devil)
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anemone said:
yes, there are still a few more in my notebook, but, what would I get in return, hehehe...perhaps a cup of coffee?(Devil)

I am not sure what you meant there. (Thinking)
 
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Pranav said:
I am not sure what you meant there. (Thinking)

I was actually trying to make some fun here. I also meant I would like very much to share with you the other useful trigonometric identities that I know of but could I do that by tomorrow? Now it is pretty late here and I can barely keep my eyes open...:o

Night night MHB!(Sleepy)
 
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anemone said:
I was actually trying to make some fun here. I also meant I would like very much to share with you the other useful trigonometric identities that I know of but could I do that by tomorrow? Now it is pretty late here and I can barely keep my eyes open...:o

Night night MHB!(Sleepy)

Please take your time and good night. :)
 
  • #12
Hi Pranav, here are the other trigonometric identities that I want to share with you:

$\sin x^{\circ} \cdot \sin (60-x)^{\circ} \cdot \sin (60+x)^{\circ}=\dfrac{\sin 3x^{\circ}}{4}$

$\cos x^{\circ} \cdot \cos (60-x)^{\circ} \cdot \cos (60+x)^{\circ}=\dfrac{\cos 3x^{\circ}}{4}$

hence

$\tan x^{\circ} \cdot \tan (60-x)^{\circ} \cdot \tan (60+x)^{\circ}=\tan 3x^{\circ}$
 
  • #13
anemone said:
Hi Pranav, here are the other trigonometric identities that I want to share with you:

$\sin x^{\circ} \cdot \sin (60-x)^{\circ} \cdot \sin (60+x)^{\circ}=\dfrac{\sin 3x^{\circ}}{4}$

$\cos x^{\circ} \cdot \cos (60-x)^{\circ} \cdot \cos (60+x)^{\circ}=\dfrac{\cos 3x^{\circ}}{4}$

hence

$\tan x^{\circ} \cdot \tan (60-x)^{\circ} \cdot \tan (60+x)^{\circ}=\tan 3x^{\circ}$

Thanks a lot anemone! :)
 

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