Can You Integrate This Tricky Expression?

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The thread discusses the integration of the expression $\int \frac{t^3} {(2-t^2)^{5/2} } dt$. Participants explore various methods for solving this integral, including substitution and expansion techniques. The discussion includes both mathematical reasoning and exploratory approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose expanding the integrand into separate fractions for easier integration.
  • Others suggest using the substitution $t = \sqrt{2}\sin\theta$ to simplify the integral.
  • A participant presents a substitution $u = 2 - t^2$ and derives a new form of the integral, indicating a method to proceed with the integration.
  • Another participant acknowledges the previous suggestion as better but notes a correction regarding the sign in the differential $du = -2t\,dt$.
  • One participant provides a potential final expression for the integral, although it is presented with uncertainty about its correctness.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for the creative problem-solving approaches discussed, highlighting the non-textbook nature of the solutions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the final solution to the integral, and multiple approaches are presented without agreement on which is superior or correct.

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Some assumptions about the validity of the substitution methods and the correctness of the derived expressions remain unverified. The discussion reflects various interpretations and steps that may depend on specific mathematical techniques.

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$\int \frac{t^3} {(2-t^2)^{5/2} } dt$
Was going to expand
$$\frac{2t}{\left(2-{t}^{2} \right)^{5 /2 } }
-\frac{t}{\left(2-t^2 \right)^{3/2 } }$$
 
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karush said:
$\int \frac{t^3} {(2-t^2)^{5/2} } dt$
Was going to expand
$$\frac{2t}{\left(2-{t}^{2} \right)^{5 /2 } }
-\frac{t}{\left(2-t^2 \right)^{3/2 } }$$
Substitution: $t = \sqrt2\sin\theta$.
 
karush said:
$\int \frac{t^3} {(2-t^2)^{5/2} } dt$
Was going to expand
$$\frac{2t}{\left(2-{t}^{2} \right)^{5 /2 } }
-\frac{t}{\left(2-t^2 \right)^{3/2 } }$$

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{t^3}{ \left( 2 - t^2 \right) ^{\frac{5}{2}}}\,\mathrm{d}t} &= \frac{1}{2} \int{ t^2\, \left( 2 - t^2 \right) ^{-\frac{5}{2}}\,2t\,\mathrm{d}t } \end{align*}$

Substitute $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = 2 - t^2 \implies \mathrm{d}u = 2t\,\mathrm{d}t \end{align*}$ and the integral becomes

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{1}{2}\int{ t^2\,\left( 2 - t^2 \right) ^{-\frac{5}{2}}\,2t\,\mathrm{d}t} &= \frac{1}{2} \int{ \left( 2 - u \right) \, u^{-\frac{5}{2}}\,\mathrm{d}u} \\ &= \frac{1}{2} \int{ 2u^{-\frac{5}{2}} - u^{-\frac{3}{2}}\,\mathrm{d}u } \end{align*}$

Finish it.
 
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$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{t^3}{ \left( 2 - t^2 \right) ^{\frac{5}{2}}}\,\mathrm{d}t} &= \frac{1}{2} \int{ t^2\, \left( 2 - t^2 \right) ^{-\frac{5}{2}}\,2t\,\mathrm{d}t } \end{align*}$

Substitute $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = 2 - t^2 \implies \mathrm{d}u = 2t\,\mathrm{d}t \end{align*}$ and the integral becomes

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{1}{2}\int{ t^2\,\left( 2 - t^2 \right) ^{-\frac{5}{2}}\,2t\,\mathrm{d}t} &= \frac{1}{2} \int{ \left( 2 - u \right) \, u^{-\frac{5}{2}}\,\mathrm{d}u} \\ &= \frac{1}{2} \int{ 2u^{-\frac{5}{2}} - u^{-\frac{3}{2}}\,\mathrm{d}u } \end{align*}$
That suggestion is much better than mine (but notice that $du = -2t\,dt$, with a minus sign).
 
$$\frac{1}{2}\left[\frac{4}{3 u^\left\{3/2\right\}}-\frac{2}{{u}^{1/2}}\right]+C$$

$$2-{t}^{2} = u$$

$$\frac{2}{3 \left(2-t^2 \right)^{3/2} }
-\frac{1}{3\left(2-{t}^{2}\right)^{1/2} } +C$$

I hope?
 
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One thing I really like about MHB is the creative ways to solve problems that are not in textbook examples. :cool:
 

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