Can You Solve This Limit Definition Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a limit definition problem involving the expression $$ \lim_{(x,y)\to(0,0)} \frac {e^{x+y^2}-1-\sin \left ( x + \frac{y^2}{2} \right )}{x^2+y^2} $$ and whether it equals $\frac{1}{2}$. Participants explore various approaches to proving this limit, including the use of inequalities and definitions of limits in multiple variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial approach using inequalities to show the limit, questioning whether their reasoning is correct.
  • Another participant suggests that proving $|f(x,y)|<2$ may not be helpful and recommends focusing on $|f(x,y)-1/2|$ instead.
  • A later reply acknowledges confusion with another limit and modifies the proof, attempting to show that the limit approaches $\frac{1}{2}$.
  • Several participants reiterate the definition of a limit in two variables, emphasizing the need to demonstrate that the distance to the point $(0,0)$ is less than $\delta$ implies the function's value is within $\epsilon$ of the limit.
  • There are requests for additional resources or examples related to similar limit proofs.
  • One participant receives a reminder about forum etiquette regarding "bumping" posts for visibility.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the initial approach and the relevance of bounding the function's value versus focusing on its limit. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore various methods without reaching a consensus on the correctness of the proposed solutions.

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Some participants express uncertainty about their inequalities and the conditions under which they are valid. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the assumptions about the sizes of $x$ and $y$ as they approach zero.

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I want to show the next statement:
$$ \lim_{(x,y)\to(0,0)} \frac {e^{x+y^2}-1-\sin \left ( x + \frac{y^2}{2} \right )}{x^2+y^2} = \frac {1}{2} $$

What I've tried so far:
$$ \begin{align*}
\left |\frac {e^{x+y^2}-1-\sin \left ( x + \frac{y^2}{2} \right )}{x^2+y^2} \right | &\leq \frac {\left |e^{x+y^2}-1-\sin \left ( x + \frac{y^2}{2} \right ) \right |}{\left \| (x,y) \right \|^2} \\
&\leq \frac {\left |e^{x+y^2}-1 \right |+ \left |\sin \left ( x + \frac{y^2}{2} \right ) \right |}{\left \| (x,y) \right \|^2} \\
&\leq \frac {\left |x+y^2 \right | + \left | x + \frac{y^2}{2} \right |}{\left \| (x,y) \right \|^2} \\
&\leq \frac {\left \| (x,y) \right \|^2 + \left \| (x,y) \right \|^2}{\left \| (x,y) \right \|^2} \\
&\leq \boxed {2 < \delta}
\end{align*} $$
So I can take $ \boxed {\delta= \varepsilon /2} $, right? Is it well done?

I've a few more questions:
(1) Are my inequalities well done?
(2) Do you have any suggestion for this kind of problem?
(3) When I'm making these inequalities, do I'm thinking that $ x $ and $ y $ are small or big numers? Are they less or equal than 1 or bigger?
 
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Francolino said:
What I've tried so far: ...

If you wish to prove that $\lim_{x,y \to 0}f(x,y)=1/2$, how does proving that $|f(x,y)|<2$ help? maybe you should be looking at $|f(x,y)-1/2|$ instead.
 
zzephod said:
If you wish to prove that $\lim_{x,y \to 0}f(x,y)=1/2$, how does proving that $|f(x,y)|<2$ help? maybe you should be looking at $|f(x,y)-1/2|$ instead.

You're right! I was reading other limit and I confused the result (the other limit was zero). I've changed the proof: $$ \begin{align*}
\left |\frac {e^{x+y^2}-1-\sin \left ( x + \frac{y^2}{2} \right )}{x^2+y^2} - \frac{1}{2} \right | &\leq \frac {\left |e^{x+y^2}-1-\sin \left ( x + \frac{y^2}{2} \right ) \right |}{\left \| (x,y) \right \|^2} + \frac{1}{2} \\
&\leq \frac {\left |e^{x+y^2}-1 \right |+ \left |\sin \left ( x + \frac{y^2}{2} \right ) \right |}{\left \| (x,y) \right \|^2} + \frac{1}{2} \\
&\leq \frac {\left |x+y^2 \right | + \left | x + \frac{y^2}{2} \right |}{\left \| (x,y) \right \|^2} + \frac{1}{2} \\
&\leq \frac {\left \| (x,y) \right \|^2 + \left \| (x,y) \right \|^2}{\left \| (x,y) \right \|^2} + \frac{1}{2} \\
&\leq \boxed {\frac{3}{2} < \delta}
\end{align*} $$
So I can take $ \boxed{ \delta = \frac {2}{3}\varepsilon} $. Is it right?

I'm a newbie, I hope you can understand my mistakes.

(Can anyone provide proofs (in book, articles, web) like the one I did? I couldn't find more than one or two examples, which were a lot easier than the limit I dealt with.)
 
To prove a two variable limit $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{(x,y) \to (a,b)} f(x,y) = L \end{align*}$ by definition you need to show this:

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sqrt{ (x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2} < \delta \implies \left| f(x,y) - L \right| < \epsilon \end{align*}$
 
Prove It said:
To prove a two variable limit $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{(x,y) \to (a,b)} f(x,y) = L \end{align*}$ by definition you need to show this:

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sqrt{ (x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2} < \delta \implies \left| f(x,y) - L \right| < \epsilon \end{align*}$

Yes, so in my case $ (a,b) = (0,0) $ then, I have to show that: $$ \sqrt{x^2+y^2} =: \left \| (x,y) \right \| < \delta \Rightarrow \left |\frac {e^{x+y^2}-1-\sin \left ( x + \frac{y^2}{2} \right )}{x^2+y^2} - \frac{1}{2} \right | < \varepsilon $$
And that was exactly what I was trying to show.
 
Can anybody help me out with this proof?
 
Francolino said:
Can anybody help me out with this proof?

Hello, Francolino!

Here at MHB, we discourage this kind of post, referred to as a bumping post:

MHB Rule #1 said:
No bumping. Bumping a thread is posting a reply to that thread solely to raise its profile and return it to the top of the active threads list. This is forbidden at MHB. If you want to draw attention to an unanswered thread, then post something of value such as further progress. It is also forbidden to bump one thread by drawing attention to it in a different thread.

If you have any further progress on this problem with which you need help, then it is fine to post, but simply posting to bump the thread, which adds no value to the thread, is not encouraged. :D
 

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