Can you solve this right triangle puzzle with a unique angle ratio?

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The discussion revolves around a right triangle puzzle involving angle ratios and side lengths. Participants explore the relationships between angles and sides in triangle ABC, specifically focusing on the angles BAC, BCD, and the implications of these relationships on the triangle's properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the triangle must be a 30-60-90 triangle based on the conditions provided, arguing that otherwise the length "b-a" would be impossible.
  • Another participant proposes using coordinate geometry to derive relationships between the sides and angles, leading to a calculation of u as 15 degrees.
  • A different approach assumes ABC is a 30-60-90 triangle and derives the same conclusion for u, questioning the validity of this method.
  • One participant notes that there seems to be a unique ratio of angles in certain right triangles, specifically mentioning the 3-4-5 triangle and its multiples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing methods and reasoning for arriving at the value of u, with some agreeing on the conclusion that u equals 15 degrees, while others raise questions about the assumptions made in their approaches. No consensus is reached on the validity of all proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific properties of the triangle and the implications of the angle ratios. The discussion includes various mathematical derivations that may depend on specific definitions or interpretations of the triangle's properties.

Wilmer
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B
    b-a
            D
a
                   c-b+a

C                b                  A
Right triangle ABC, with the standard a, b, c side lengths.
Angle BAC = 2u degrees.

Point D is on the hypotenuse AB, such that:
BD = b-a, angle BCD = 3u degrees.

Calculate u.
 
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Is this a problem with which you are asking for help, or is it a problem that you are posting as a challenge?
 
MarkFL said:
Is this a problem with which you are asking for help, or is it a problem that you are posting as a challenge?
Hey Mark!
It's a problem I found.
My solution to it is that it HAS to be a 30-60-90 triangle,
else the "b-a" length is impossible (combined with 2u and 3u)..
Posted it to sort of "see" if anyone agrees.

Anyhoo...if I've done something sinful, I apologize :)
 
Wilmer said:
Hey Mark!
It's a problem I found.
My solution to it is that it HAS to be a 30-60-90 triangle,
else the "b-a" length is impossible (combined with 2u and 3u)..
Posted it to sort of "see" if anyone agrees.

Anyhoo...if I've done something sinful, I apologize :)

Since you aren't sure if you are correct and are wanting to see if people agree with your solution, I would say you posted in the correct place. (Yes)
 
Let's use some coordinate geometry here and WLOG, let $a=1$...let the hypotenuse lie along the line:

$$y=1-\frac{x}{b}$$

And line segment $\overline{CD}$ lie along the line:

$$y=\cot(3u)x$$

And so we find $D$ is at:

$$(x,y)=\left(\frac{b}{b\cot(3u)+1},\frac{b\cot(3u)}{b\cot(3u)+1}\right)$$

Now, we require:

$$(b-1)^2=\left(\frac{b}{b\cot(3u)+1}\right)^2+\left(\frac{1}{b\cot(3u)+1}\right)^2$$

From this, we determine:

$$\cot(3u)=\frac{\sqrt{b^2+1}-(b-1)}{b(b-1)}$$

And using a triple-angle identity for cotangent, we have:

$$\frac{3\cot(u)-\cot^3(u)}{1-3\cot^2(u)}=\frac{\sqrt{b^2+1}-(b-1)}{b(b-1)}$$

We also know:

$$\cot(2u)=b$$

and using a double-angle identity for cotangent, we have:

$$\frac{\cot^2(u)-1}{2\cot(u)}=b$$

Form this, we determine:

$$\cot(u)=b+\sqrt{b^2+1}$$

And so we have:

$$\frac{\left(b+\sqrt{b^2+1}\right)\left(b^2+b\sqrt{b^2+1}-1\right)}{3b^2+3b\sqrt{b^2+1}+1}=\frac{\sqrt{b^2+1}-(b-1)}{b(b-1)}$$

Taking the positive real root, we find:

$$b=\sqrt{3}$$

And this in turn implies:

$$\cot(3u)=1$$

or:

$$3u=45^{\circ}$$

$$u=15^{\circ}$$
 
Thanks Mark. I'm lazy, so I went at it this way:

Assume ABC is a 30-60-90 triangle.

Let a = 1: then c = 2 and b = sqrt(3)

Since angleBAC = 2u and angleBCD = 3u,
then angleBCD = 45 and angleBDC = 75

BD = SIN(45) / SIN(75) = sqrt(3) - 1
also:
BD = a - b = sqrt(3) - 1

That's it...u=15 ! Only case where above works...

Anything wrong with that?
I'd sure go that way on a multiple choice timed test!
 
Interestingly(?) enough, seems to be only one pytagoreaner
that has these angles in a mu:nu ratio (m and n = integers).

Happens to be the 3-4-5er (and its multiples, of course).
BD : DA = 1 : 4

AngleBAC = 2u and angleBCD = u

Checked 'em all where a < 10000.

File 13 stuff!
 

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