Cancellation in a finite semigroup

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a finite semigroup with an associative binary operation, particularly focusing on cancellation properties and the implications for the structure of the set G. Participants explore the relationship between elements of G and the subset generated by a single element.

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  • Participants question how the subset generated by an element can be considered in place of the entire set G, particularly in light of potential other elements in G. There is also discussion on the finiteness of the generated subset and its implications for the existence of inverses and identity elements.

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The conversation is active, with participants offering insights into the implications of cancellation properties and the structure of cyclic subgroups. Some participants suggest that proving the existence of an identity element may be a necessary step, while others emphasize the need to show that inverses exist for each element.

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There is a lack of clarity regarding the definition of a semigroup and whether an identity element is guaranteed. Participants are navigating these assumptions while discussing the properties of the set G.

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So, let G be a nonempty finite set with an associative binary operation such that for all a,b,c in G ab = ac => b = c & ba = ca => b = c, i.e. both left and right cancellation hold. The G is a group.

Ok, I really had no inspiration how to solve this one, so I looked at the solution, which confused me. Namely, it states that, given any element a from G, the set <a> = {a^k : k in N} must be a subset of G, and even better, it is a closed subset of G, and we *consider it in place of G*. This is what confuses me. How can we consider it in place of G? What if there are other elements in G which can not be generated by some a from G? I'm probably missing something simple, but I can't figure it out.

Thanks in advance.
 
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{a^k: k in N} is not only closed, it's finite. How can this be? Must be for some k1<k2, a^k1=a^k2. Now think of using your cancellation property. The goal here is to show that 'a' has a inverse.
 
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{a^k: k in N} is not only closed, it's finite. How can this be? Must be for some k1<k2, a^k1=a^k2. Now think of using your cancellation property. The goal here is to show that 'a' has a inverse.

Yes, it's finite, since it is a subset of a finite set.

Shouldn't I try to show that there exists an identity element in G first?
 
Yes radou., If ak1=ak2, suppose k2>k1. You can write the right hand side as a multiple of ak1*something if you think about it for a couple seconds... what is that something?

The trip up is what you just proved exists is dependent on a... so you'll need to prove it's the same one for all elements in G
 
Guess so. I was thinking a semigroup had an identity.
 
Not knowing the definition of a semigroup off the top of my head, from what you're given you don't know G has an identity (the word semigroup is never used in the problem, so it doesn't even matter that I don't know the definition)
 
You have a semi group, so you're given things like associativity, so all you need to do is show that you have an identity and an inverse for each element a. To do this it suffices to work in <a> - if we can show it here, it holds for G, since G will be the union of its cyclic subgroups, and all you need to do is show uniqueness of the identity (a priori this construction on cyclic subgroups shows that there are lots of identities).I don't know why the question bothers to say that, but that is what is going on.
 

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