Candidate Functions f(x) for Domain R, Image (-1,1)

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The discussion revolves around identifying candidate functions f(x) that meet specific criteria: a domain of all real numbers, an image of (-1,1), smoothness and continuity everywhere, an undefined first derivative at x=0, and specific asymptotic behavior as x approaches positive and negative infinity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a suitable rational function could satisfy the conditions due to the horizontal asymptotes at 1 and -1.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in finding a rational function that meets all the requirements and asks for suggestions.
  • A suggestion is made to check sigmoid curves as potential candidates.
  • A participant mentions considering the arctan function but notes its momentary vertical behavior at zero disqualifies it, along with the Gompertz function and Richards curve, while questioning the existence of odd sigmoid curves.
  • One participant proposes a piecewise function involving the square root of arctan, with a specific constant to ensure the image is within (-1,1).
  • There is a discussion about the implications of rejecting arctan, with a suggestion to use the cube root of arctan to achieve the desired vertical behavior at zero.

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Participants express differing views on the suitability of rational functions and specific candidate functions like arctan, with no consensus reached on a definitive function that meets all criteria.

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Some participants note the importance of the first derivative being undefined at x=0, which complicates the selection of functions. There are also considerations regarding the behavior of functions at infinity and the need for odd functions in this context.

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Hi all

What are some candidate functions f(x) that satisfy these conditions:
1. domain of f is R
2. image of f is (-1,1)
2. Smooth and continuous everywhere
3. first derivative undefined at x=0
4. f(x)-->1 as x--> inf
5. f(x)-->-1 as x--> -inf

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LR
 
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Well the horizontal asymptotes are at 1 and - 1, so a suitable rational function should do the trick.
 
Thanks, but I've not been able to find one. Any suggestions ?
 
check sigmoid curves
 
Thanks. I considered arctan already, but since this function goes momentarily vertical zero arctan doesn't work. Same with a Gompertz function and Richards curve (I think). Also, this function appears to be odd, so that would rule out a Gompterz function also. Are there Sigmoid curves that are odd ? I don't know much about them, except in population models, and in those models a disappearing first derivative isn't too desirable I guess.
 
Well, you might try with something like:

x>0: [itex]f(x)=C\sqrt{arctan(|x|)}[/itex]
x<0: [itex]f(x)=-C\sqrt{arctan(|x|)}, C=\sqrt{\frac{2}{\pi}}[/itex]
 
snipez90 said:
Well the horizontal asymptotes are at 1 and - 1, so a suitable rational function should do the trick.

No, a rational function has the same asymptote at both ends.

So: in rejecting arctan, you say that you WANT it to be vertical at zero? (arctan has slope 1 at zero). Then take the cube root: [tex](arctan(x))^{1/3}[/tex]
 

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g_edgar said:
So: in rejecting arctan, you say that you WANT it to be vertical at zero? (arctan has slope 1 at zero). Then take the cube root: [tex](arctan(x))^{1/3}[/tex]

Perfect. Thank you.
 

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