Canonical transformation in classical mechanics

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The discussion revolves around canonical transformations in classical mechanics, specifically addressing the differences between the notations of variations (##\delta##) and differentials (##d##) in the context of a given problem. Participants are exploring the definitions and implications of these concepts as they relate to the transformation equations.

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  • Participants are questioning the correctness of definitions and notations related to canonical transformations. There are attempts to clarify the roles of ##\delta## and ##d## in the context of the problem, with some suggesting the use of chain rule and linear independence to derive equations. Others express confusion over the notation and its implications for the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and clarifications regarding the definitions involved. There is a recognition of confusion around notation, and while some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the definitions being used.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a specific textbook definition, which appears to differ from others mentioned in the discussion. The problem also involves considering time as a parameter, which adds to the complexity of the notation being discussed.

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Homework Statement
Give the proof of the equation
$$ H' = H + \frac { \partial S } { \partial t }$$
By proceeding as follow. Leave the time t as independent variable and consider a canonical transformation in which the time appears as a parameter. Then obtain the above relation by distinguishing between ##dS## in the canonical integral and ##\delta S## in the definition of canonical transformation. In the first case time is varied, in the second case not.
Relevant Equations
Canonical integral:
$$A = \int ( \sum p_i dq_i - Hdt)$$
Definition of canonical transformation:
$$ \sum p_i \delta q_i = \sum P_i \delta Q_i + \delta S$$
I'm stuck from the beginning. I though I understood the difference between ## \delta## and ##d##, but apparently I was wrong, because I don't know how to exploit it here...

Any hint would be greatly appreciated

Thank
Ric
 
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Are you sure you have written correct defination of Canonical Transformation?

##p_i\delta q_i -H= P_i\delta Q_i-H' + dS/dt##

In this case ,the equation is easy to derive by using chain rule to S(q,Q,t) and using linear independence of ##\dot q##and ##p##
 
Abhishek11235 said:
Are you sure you have written correct defination of Canonical
This is the definition found in my book and it makes sense. It seems different from yours though
 
dRic2 said:
This is the definition found in my book and it makes sense. It seems different from yours though
Ok. Then use the following:

$$\delta S= dS/dt ~dt + dS/dq ~dq + dS/dQ ~dQ$$

Now subtract ##Hdt## on both sides in your defination of Canonical Transformation

Now use the linear independence of q,Q and t
 
Your notation is confusion me. ##\delta S## is not ##dS##. ##\delta## is used to address variations and, since the problem asks to consider time as a parameter, you don't have to vary wrt to time. ##dS## is obviously the total differential.

Even if you meant ##dS## I don't know how to proceed.
 
Solved it. I was very confused by the notation of the book.
 

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