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The discussion revolves around user experiences and opinions regarding the Firefox web browser compared to Internet Explorer (IE). Participants share their thoughts on performance, stability, features, and issues encountered while using both browsers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express enthusiasm for Firefox, highlighting its features and usability compared to older browsers like IE.
  • Others note that not all websites support Firefox, particularly mentioning Microsoft's website as an example.
  • Concerns about pop-up ads are raised, with some participants asserting they have not experienced them since switching to Firefox, while others report occasional pop-ups.
  • Several users mention crashes with Firefox, particularly under heavy CPU and memory loads, and discuss the impact of third-party plugins on stability.
  • Some participants argue that crashes may not solely be due to user systems, suggesting that Firefox has its own stability issues.
  • There are mentions of upgrading plugins to resolve crashes, with some attributing issues to specific plugins like Acrobat and Java.
  • Participants discuss the varying perceptions of browser quality, noting that reviews often favor Firefox over IE, but acknowledging that user preferences can differ.
  • Some express frustration with IE, describing it as problematic and likening it to a virus due to its behavior and security issues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Firefox has advantages over IE, but there is no consensus on its perfection, as many acknowledge its own issues, particularly regarding stability and crashes. Multiple competing views on the causes of these issues remain unresolved.

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Limitations in the discussion include varying user experiences based on system specifications, the impact of third-party plugins, and differing definitions of browser quality. Some participants mention specific conditions under which crashes occur, but these are not universally applicable.

  • #31
I use firefox exclusively on my Fedora box. However, my favorite web browser is Safari. Just waiting for the RSS version.

Just curious, when I used windows briefly, I was led to believe that IE was linked with the OS shell explorer. This made it impossible, virtually, to uninstall. I only used windows for a little while though so I am probably wrong. Can someone elaborate on that?
 
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  • #32
ELIZAeffect said:
I use firefox exclusively on my Fedora box. However, my favorite web browser is Safari. Just waiting for the RSS version.

Just curious, when I used windows briefly, I was led to believe that IE was linked with the OS shell explorer. This made it impossible, virtually, to uninstall. I only used windows for a little while though so I am probably wrong. Can someone elaborate on that?

Yes, that's correct - IE is pretty much Windows Explorer. I know they have separate executables, but IE is basically a superset of Windows Explorer. Because of this, IE usually has very fast start-up times, compared to Firefox or Mozilla. Firefox and Mozilla, both, have improved their start-up times, and are nearly comparable with IE's times.
 
  • #33
gazzo said:
hehe.

Have any of you actually been infected with a linux virus ? Isn't there a few lurking around? :confused:


Linux viruses are rare, and generally not an issue because they can't do any damage without access to the root directory, which means generally you'd have to run them logged in as root.
 
  • #34
franznietzsche said:
Linux viruses are rare, and generally not an issue because they can't do any damage without access to the root directory, which means generally you'd have to run them logged in as root.

If the executable is ran SUID, it can do damage to the root directory.
 
  • #35
graphic7 said:
If the executable is ran SUID, it can do damage to the root directory.


i would consider super user and root login the same, but yes.
 
  • #36
franznietzsche said:
i would consider super user and root login the same, but yes.

Thank you for confirming that, but the confirmation was not needed.

SUID does not imply the user being 'root.' I can change the root username to 'foo.' As long as it as a UID of 0, that implies it's SUID.

In fact, you can setup aliases to the user root, where multiple users can share UID 0.
 
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  • #37
graphic7 said:
Thank you for confirming that, but the confirmation was not needed.

SUID does not imply the user being 'root.' I can change the root username to 'foo.' As long as it as a UID of 0, that implies it's SUID.

In fact, you can setup aliases to the user root, where multiple users can share UID 0.


I think anyone using a linux system knows what root login is regardless of the name, its the same thing, and everyone knows what you're referring to.

"A rose by any other name..."
 
  • #38
And anyone who does run an executable they got from www.whoknowswhere.com as SUID deserve to get their system totalled. :-p

I ran a long perl command someone gave me as root :rolleyes: not a good idea - tried to delete /*

or another time when rm -rf ~r[tab] just happened to delete the /root directory instead of the intended one. :frown:

aaahh.. we've all had our bad [stupid] experieneces havn't we?

.. atleast I hope it's not just me :cry:

Time to find that Windows CD, if it still exists.
 
  • #39
gazzo said:
And anyone who does run an executable they got from www.whoknowswhere.com as SUID deserve to get their system totalled. :-p

I ran a long perl command someone gave me as root :rolleyes: not a good idea - tried to delete /*

or another time when rm -rf ~r[tab] just happened to delete the /root directory instead of the intended one. :frown:

aaahh.. we've all had our bad [stupid] experieneces havn't we?

.. atleast I hope it's not just me :cry:

Time to find that Windows CD, if it still exists.


Why voice control software is bad:

Office rival walking by shouts: 'rm dash rf slash enter!'
 

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