Cant understand some step in a solution

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The discussion revolves around understanding a specific step in a solution related to electric fields and potentials, particularly in the context of a dielectric material between capacitor plates. The original poster expresses confusion about the transition from an expression involving electric fields to the subsequent integral and its implications.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between electric fields and electric potentials, questioning the reasoning behind using line integrals to derive expressions for the electric field in different regions. There is also a focus on the implications of crossing dielectric boundaries and how this affects the calculations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the principles involved, such as the relationship between electric fields and potentials. However, there remains a lack of consensus on the necessity of finding the total electric field versus the separated fields, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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here is the problem and solution:
http://i26.tinypic.com/2vvm8vm.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/nqwq4n.jpg

i solved the 1st subquestion.
my problem starts with the second subquestion:
i understood how they got this expression
[tex]E=\frac{\epsilon_0}{\epsilon}E_0[/tex]

but i don't know what they do next
what law principle are they doing in the next 3 lines??

why the integral equals the expression that they show??
 
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The principle is that the electric field can be derived from the electric potential

[tex]\vec{E} = -\vec{\nabla U}[/tex]

from which it follows that

[tex]V =-\int\vec{E} \cdot \vec{d \ell}[/tex]

The line integral is taken along a straight line from one plate to the other and needs to be split into two terms because the E-field changes when the dielectric-vacuum boundary is crossed. That's why you get two terms with two different E values.

Does this make sense?
 
[tex]\vec{E} = -\vec{\nabla U}[/tex]
this means that the field is the divergent of the potential

[tex]V =-\int\vec{E} \cdot \vec{d \ell}[/tex]
why are we starting to look for the potenitial
we are asked to find the total field
??

in the result i was not presented with the total electric field
but with sepated fields that i knew them already before the integral part

??
 
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My explanation was how they got equations (7) - (9). They did the line integral in two steps because there are two different electric fields between the plates. After doing the integral, they solve the equation to find E0 in terms of the voltage, which we assume is a given quantity. Once you have E0, you can find E.
 
ok thanks :)
 

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