Cant work this out, why is it happening,

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The discussion revolves around the parametric equations y(t) = 22t - 4t² and x(t) = 30t - t³, with the goal of finding x(y) or y(x). The original poster expresses confusion regarding discrepancies in calculated values for x and y at t = 2 seconds.

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  • The original poster attempts to solve for t in terms of y and substitute back to find x, but encounters issues specifically at t = 2 seconds. Some participants question the omission of the negative root in the quadratic solution for t, while others suggest the need to cube the denominator correctly when substituting for t³.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's approach, offering guidance on potential errors in the calculations and discussing the implications of selecting specific roots of the quadratic equation. There is an exploration of the conditions under which the derived equations hold true.

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There is a noted assumption regarding the selection of the positive root for t, which may limit the validity of the derived expressions for certain values of y. The discussion highlights the importance of considering both roots of the quadratic equation.

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cant work this out, why is it happening, please help!

y(t)=22t-4t[tex]^{2}[/tex]
x(t)=30t-t[tex]^{3}[/tex]

find x(y) or y(x)
what i did was say

y-22t+4t[tex]^{2}[/tex]=0

t=[tex]\frac{22+\sqrt{484-16y}}{8}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{11+\sqrt{121-4y}}{4}[/tex]

x=30*[tex]\frac{11+\sqrt{121-4y}}{4}[/tex]-([tex]\frac{11+\sqrt{121-4y}}{4}[/tex])[tex]^{3}[/tex]


which works for every value for y(t) i plug in except for t=2s
where i get, from the original equations, x=52 y=28
but from my equation when y=28, x=62.125
why is this happening?
 
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Did you remember to cube the 4 in the denominator when you substituted for t^3? x=30IOW, the second term in your value for x should be:
[tex]\frac{(11+\sqrt{121-4y})^3}{4^3}[/tex]

Also, you are omitting the [tex]\pm[/tex] in your value for t, but this is a more minor problem.
 


devanlevin said:
y(t)=22t-4t[tex]^{2}[/tex]
x(t)=30t-t[tex]^{3}[/tex]

find x(y) or y(x)
what i did was say

y-22t+4t[tex]^{2}[/tex]=0

t=[tex]\frac{22+\sqrt{484-16y}}{8}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{11+\sqrt{121-4y}}{4}[/tex]

The equation [itex]4t^2- 22t+ y= 0[/itex] has two solutions! Choosing the positive root means that you are assuming that t> 11/4= 2.75 and your formula will be correct only for t> 2.75

x=30*[tex]\frac{11+\sqrt{121-4y}}{4}[/tex]-([tex]\frac{11+\sqrt{121-4y}}{4}[/tex])[tex]^{3}[/tex]


which works for every value for y(t) i plug in except for t=2s
where i get, from the original equations, x=52 y=28
but from my equation when y=28, x=62.125
why is this happening?
 


thanks, that works perfectly, but why do you say specifically 11/4, because of 11/4 in the fraction or because when the sqrt=0, t=11/4
 


Because your value for t is 11/4 + a positive quantity (i.e., sqrt(121 - 4y)/4 ). By omitting the other solution, you are losing sight of the fact that there is a solution for t < 11/4.
 


thanks
 

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