Find the scalar, vector, and parametric equations of a plane

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The discussion revolves around finding the scalar, vector, and parametric equations of a plane defined by a normal vector and a point through which it passes. The normal vector is given as n→=(3,−4,6) and the point is P(9, 2, –5).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the scalar equation and its components, including the calculation of D. There are attempts to derive the vector and parametric equations based on the initial conditions. Some participants question the validity of specific points derived from the equations and whether they lie on the plane.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen adjustments to the equations based on feedback regarding previous errors. Some participants have confirmed the correctness of the scalar equation and are exploring methods to verify the results. There is ongoing dialogue about the accuracy of derived points and their relation to the plane.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the extent of guidance provided. There is an emphasis on verifying results through substitution into the scalar equation.

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Homework Statement


Find the scalar, vector, and parametric equations of a plane
that has a normal vector n→=(3,−4,6) and passes through the point P(9, 2, –5).

Homework Equations


Ax+By+Cz+D=0
(x,y,z)=(x0,y0,z0)+s(a1,a2,a3)+t(b1,b2,b3)
x=x0+sa1+tb1
y=y0+sa2+tb2
z=z0+sa3+tb3

The Attempt at a Solution


Scalar Equation:
3x-4y+6z+D=0
3(9)-4(2)+6(-5)+D=0
D=11
3x- 4y +6z+11=0
Vector Equation:
4y=3x+6z+11
y=3/4 x+6/4 z+11
y=3/4 x+3/2 z+11
P(9,2,-5)
Let x=0 and z=0
y=11
Q(0,11,0)
let x=2 and z=1
y=3/4(2)+3/2(1)+11
y=14
R(2,14,1)
(PQ) ⃗ =Q-P
(PQ) ⃗ =(0,11,0)-(9,2,-5)=(-9,9,5)
(PR) ⃗ =R-P
(PR) ⃗ =(2,14,1)-(9,2,-5)=(-7,12,6)
(x,y,z)=(9,2,-5)+s(-9,9,5)+t(-7,12,6)
Parametric Equations:
x=9-9s-7t
y=2+9s+12t
z=-5+5s+6t
Did I do this correctly? And is there anyway to confirm my answers through math? Thanks in advance =)
 
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Physics345 said:

Homework Statement


Find the scalar, vector, and parametric equations of a plane
that has a normal vector n→=(3,−4,6) and passes through the point P(9, 2, –5).

Homework Equations


Ax+By+Cz+D=0
(x,y,z)=(x0,y0,z0)+s(a1,a2,a3)+t(b1,b2,b3)
x=x0+sa1+tb1
y=y0+sa2+tb2
z=z0+sa3+tb3

The Attempt at a Solution

Scalar Equation: is OK.
Vector Equation:
4y=3x+6z+11
y=3/4 x+6/4 z+11
You did not divide 11 by 4 .
y=3/4 x+3/2 z+11
P(9,2,-5)
Let x=0 and z=0
y=11
Q(0,11,0)
That point is not in the plane.
let x=2 and z=1
y=3/4(2)+3/2(1)+11
y=14
R(2,14,1)
(PQ) ⃗ =Q-P
(PQ) ⃗ =(0,11,0)-(9,2,-5)=(-9,9,5)
(PR) ⃗ =R-P
(PR) ⃗ =(2,14,1)-(9,2,-5)=(-7,12,6)
(x,y,z)=(9,2,-5)+s(-9,9,5)+t(-7,12,6)
Parametric Equations:
x=9-9s-7t
y=2+9s+12t
z=-5+5s+6t
Did I do this correctly? And is there anyway to confirm my answers through math? Thanks in advance =)
The parametric version is also incorrect.
 
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SammyS said:
Scalar Equation: is OK.You did not divide 11 by 4 .That point is not in the plane.
The parametric version is also incorrect.
Which point are you referring to from PQR? Is it because of the division mistake?
 
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Physics345 said:
Which point are you referring to from PQR? Is it because of the division mistake?
I am referring to the point Q at (0, 11, 0) .

That does appear to me to be the result of your division mistake.
 
Okay according, to your comments I made some adjustments, how are you able to tell by the way?

y=3/4 x+3/2 z+11/4
P(9,2,-5)
Let x=0 and z=0
y=11/4
Q(0,11/4,0)
let x=2 and z=1
y=3/4(2)+3/2(1)+11/4
y=23/4
R(2,23/4,1)
(PQ) ⃗=Q-P
(PQ) ⃗=(0,11/4,0)-(9,2,-5)=(-9, 3/4,5)
(PR) ⃗=R-P
(PR) ⃗=(2,23/4,1)-(9,2,-5)=(-7,15/4,6)
(x,y,z)=(9,2,-5)+s(-9, 3/4,5) +t(-7,15/4,6)
Parametric Equations:
x=9-9s-7t
y=2+3/4 s+15/4 t
z=-5+5s+6t
 
Physics345 said:
Okay according, to your comments I made some adjustments, how are you able to tell by the way?
What is the thing that you are asking about? I made four different statements in my post #2 of this thread.
 
SammyS said:
What is the thing that you are asking about? I made four different statements in my post #2 of this thread.
That the points were wrong. Also is it right now?
 
Physics345 said:
Okay according, to your comments I made some adjustments, how are you able to tell by the way?
...

(x,y,z)=(9,2,-5)+s(-9, 3/4,5) +t(-7,15/4,6)

Parametric Equations:
x=9-9s-7t
y=2+3/4 s+15/4 t
z=-5+5s+6t
Physics345 said:
That the points were wrong. Also is it right now?
Your results are now correct.

As far as checking your results:
I knew that your scalar equation for the plane was correct, by verifying the steps you took.

Using the scalar equation, it's easy to check that a given point is in the plane. Plug-in x, y, and z .
 
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P(9,2,-5)
3x- 4y +6z+11=0
3(9)-4(2)+6(-5)+11=0
=0
How did it verify? because it equals zero?
 
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Physics345 said:
P(9,2,-5)
3x- 4y +6z+11=0
3(9)-4(2)+6(-5)+11=0
=0
How did it verify? because it equals zero?
Yes. Plugging into the equation gave a "true" statement.
 
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SammyS said:
Yes. Plugging into the equation gave a "true" statement.
Thank you, I understand now. Your help was very much appreciated.
 
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