Cantilever Pipe Assembly - Statics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the structural integrity of a cantilever pipe assembly, specifically addressing whether a vertical support is necessary for a horizontally extended pipe connected to a vertical pipe via a T-connection. Participants explore calculations related to bending stress, deflection, and the implications of weight on the assembly, with a focus on the application of engineering principles in a practical scenario.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the setup of a cantilever pipe and seeks advice on the necessity of a vertical support based on calculated moments.
  • Another participant suggests that calculating stress is straightforward after creating a free body diagram (FBD) and references the Euler-Bernoulli beam bending theory.
  • A participant questions whether to model the pipe as a cantilever beam with end-loading and discusses the appropriate stress calculation formula, including considerations for the pipe's weight and geometry.
  • One participant reports a bending stress calculation and notes a change in the weight at the end of the beam, adjusting the moment accordingly.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of unit consistency in stress calculations and mentions additional factors such as maximum deflection and vibration modes that should be considered.
  • One participant corrects a previous typo in their stress calculation and discusses the relevance of the pipe's length in the stress equation, clarifying the use of the pipe's radius for the neutral axis distance.
  • A participant provides information about the wall thickness and weight of the pipe, indicating their intention to install a support despite their bending stress being below a certain yield stress threshold.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of a vertical support for the cantilever pipe assembly, with some advocating for caution and support installation while others focus on stress calculations and theoretical models. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach to ensuring structural integrity.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions in their calculations, such as wall thickness and weight, and highlight the need for careful attention to units and factors in stress calculations. There are indications of potential errors in earlier calculations that could affect the conclusions drawn.

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To simplify my situation, I am installing a horizontal cantilever pipe (30” length, 3” nominal diameter) which will be connected to a vertical pipe (3” nom diameter, acting as the wall) by a T-connection. See the diagram below. At the end of the cantilever the pipe bends up at 90 degrees for 12”. At the top of the vertical pipe (at the end of the cantilever) will be a device (weight approx. 10 Lb = 4.53592 kg). The cantilever assembly pipe is most likely carbon steel, thickness 0.2159” (based on a 3” nominal diameter steel pipe schedule 40).

What I want to know is given these conditions, do I need to install a vertical support (under point B) for the extended pipe or would the pipe hold fine here? I’ve calculated the moment at point A as -95.922 lb*ft. If you look at the FBD you can see how I modeled the problem. I summed the forces of the Mass (M) and the vertical piece of pipe (MBC).

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@Mech_Engineer To calculate the stress, could I model it as a cantilever beam with end-loading? is there a different equation that I would have to use to include the pipe's weight and the fact that it's a cylindrical tube?

Stress = (F*L)(h/2)/I
 
Not sure where I'm going wrong I calculated the bending stress (Stress = My/I) and I got 57808.827 lb*ft2.

Note: I changed the weight on the end of the beam, so the moment I calculated is 58.1625 lb*ft
 
I think you just have to be careful about your units, the units of the result should be force/area (psi or equivalent). When I assume 1/4" wall thickness for the pipe, the result would be about 11 ksi (see calculation here).

Another important thing to keep in mind will be max deflection and first vibration mode. Even if the stress seems acceptable, this kind of application usually has limitation on acceptable deflection and vibration as well.
 
Thanks for the tips. My answer above actually was a typo my answer is 401.52 psi. (remember I changed the weight at the end so my moment is only 58.162)

Why does your equation include the pipe's length (30 inch)?
 
NewEngineer said:
Thanks for the tips. My answer above actually was a typo my answer is 401.52 psi. (remember I changed the weight at the end so my moment is only 58.162)
I hadn't seen that you changed your moment load, I updated the calculation here (it turns out there was an order of operations error in the second moment of area as well): calculation link. Is your pipe wall thickness about 0.34"?

NewEngineer said:
Why does your equation include the pipe's length (30 inch)?
Good catch, that was supposed to be 3 inches (the diameter of the pipe). The pipe diameter divided by two (a.k.a. the radius) gives you the neutral axis distance for the stress calculation.

I need to be more rigorous and always be on the look out for a missed factor of 2 and factor of 10!
 
According to engineeringtoolbox.com, a 40 schedule steel pipe with nominal pipe size of 3" has a wall thickness of 0.2159 inch and a weight of 7.58 lb/ft. I should have mentioned this in the original post, sorry bout that.

Anyway, even with my bending stress calculated at below 0.6*yield Stress I think I am still planning to install a support for the structure. I haven't calculated the deflection, but given that the assembly will be outside and have vapor flowing through the pipes I think it may be the safer option.
 
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