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The discussion revolves around the current state of the NHL playoffs, focusing on the Vancouver Canucks' recent game and broader concerns about officiating, team management, and player performance. Participants express their opinions on various teams, including the Canucks and the Leafs, and reflect on the impact of penalty calls on the enjoyment of the game.

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  • Some participants celebrate the Canucks' playoff victory, noting the excitement of the quadruple overtime game.
  • Others criticize the NHL for excessive penalty calls, arguing that it detracts from the enjoyment of the game and impacts playoff outcomes.
  • Concerns are raised about the management of the Toronto Maple Leafs, with suggestions to trade key players and bring back former coach Pat Quinn.
  • Some participants express disappointment in their favorite teams' performances and management decisions, particularly regarding the Oilers and Leafs.
  • There are mixed feelings about the leadership qualities of Mats Sundin, with some advocating for his trade to free up salary cap space.
  • Participants discuss the implications of penalties on game dynamics, noting that power plays have become more frequent than even-strength play, which they find problematic.
  • Criticism is directed at NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman for perceived mismanagement of the league and its rules.

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Participants express a range of opinions on officiating and team management, with no clear consensus on the effectiveness of current NHL rules or the future of specific teams. Disagreement exists regarding the value of trading certain players and the overall direction of the league.

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Participants reference specific games and player performances, indicating that their opinions are influenced by recent events in the playoffs. The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives on team strategies and league policies, with some arguments based on subjective experiences rather than objective analysis.

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The NHL is boring now. They took all the fun out of it with all the penalty calling. Carolina won the cup last year all on bad penalty calls on the other team. If you watched the games, you'll see what I mean. It's quite sad. It's not a big surprise that they didn't make the playoffs this year.

Also, the same thing is happening this year. Did you watch the Penguins game? Man, that was brutal with penalty calling. The first Crosby goal should have counted. He did not kick it in. They decided...

NEVERMIND! Damn post got lost.

Anyways, new hockey equals boring. NBA playoffs coming up.
 
JasonRox said:
The NHL is boring now. They took all the fun out of it with all the penalty calling. Carolina won the cup last year all on bad penalty calls on the other team. If you watched the games, you'll see what I mean. It's quite sad. It's not a big surprise that they didn't make the playoffs this year.
I was cheering for the Oilers :cry: :cry: :cry: I braved death to go watch those games...I really thought they were going to win.

I was cheering for them again this year to...how incredibly disappointing.
 
scorpa said:
JasonRox said:
The NHL is boring now. They took all the fun out of it with all the penalty calling. Carolina won the cup last year all on bad penalty calls on the other team. If you watched the games, you'll see what I mean. It's quite sad. It's not a big surprise that they didn't make the playoffs this year.
I was cheering for the Oilers :cry: :cry: :cry: I braved death to go watch those games...I really thought they were going to win.

I was cheering for them again this year to...how incredibly disappointing.

It's even worse considering my favourite team has terrible management. That is the Leafs. Fire Ferguson, trade Sundin, send Kubina to the minors, and play both goalies next year!

In fact, I was happy they didn't make the playoffs. They didn't deserve to go. Not lots of pressure rests on them and I hope they don't make it next year again until management wakes up!

I went to a hockey game and said the above, and fellow Leaf fans agree. If you watch TSN or Sportsnet, they also agree that this should all be done too.
 
The real thrill at the moment is the Swedish Championship final, where MoDo yesterday took a 3-2 lead against Linköping (best of seven matches).
 
perhaps leaf fans just suck...compare the home game versus away game winning percentages.

Didn't help that most of their major acquisitions had injuries...namely Peca and Kubina. With peca out they were getting dominated on the PK and D end.

Don't trade sundin ...trade McCabe fire ferguson and bring back Pat Quinn.

OH and man I'm glad i didn't stay up to watch the canucks game...1am 2nd overtime..and i said forget it. Gotta love the commentators...

pass to OHLUND, SLAPSHOT, GOALLLLL.

disappointed that ATL lost. Toss up between OTT/PITTS want fleury to win...but you can't do much with D like that. its like WASH with Kolzig and ovechkin.

i hope the final 8 MINN, CGY,VAN,NASH, ATL, TB, OTT/PITTS, NYI because it would be nice to see SATAN/YASHIN/SMYTH get rings but buffalo will get by easily. Would be interesting if the 4 newere teams make it to the playoffs.

i want a NASH/ VAN v PITT/OTT final

and stupid NJ won...they were the reason why LEAFS got ousted and stupid leafs taking out 2 CDN teams in one game.
 
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neurocomp2003 said:
Don't trade sundin ...trade McCabe fire ferguson and bring back Pat Quinn.

I agree with one thing. Bring back Pat Quinn.

Trading Sundin is a hot topic. He's not a leader like some people think he is. If people actually listened to the hockey player interviews from the Leafs, you will see that none of the players talk about his leadership. Tucker even said once that it's rare that Sundin takes a leadership role. It's either you trade him or rip that C off clean. Trading Sundin also frees up $7 million in cap room, which is a lot. I wouldn't trade McCabe though. Just send him to the minors along with Kubina. You then save $10 million on cap room, plus Sundin, that's $17 million!

No offense to Sunding. But he's heading nowhere but downhill from here on out. Ferguson should never have been hired.

Now, Bettman is a whole other story. Only an idiot would re-sign him or hire him to begin with!
 
We were watching the Penguins game the other night. It was disgusting how many penalties were being called. The same thing with the Dallas game. It absolutely ruins the playoffs. I think the first period of the Dallas game had more penalty play minutes than even strength minutes. That's pathetic. The power play used to be a special circumstance in the playoffs. Now it's more common that 5 on 5.

Go Wings.
 
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FredGarvin said:
We were watching the Penguins game the other night. It was disgusting how many penalties were being called. The same thing with the Dallas game. It absolutely ruins the playoffs. I think the first period of the Dallas game had more penalty play minutes than even strength minutes. That's pathetic. The power play used to be a special circumstance in the playoffs. Now it's more common that 5 on 5.

Go Wings.

The Ottawa Senators has 3:30 minutes of 5-3 time! THIS ISN'T SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN IN THE PLAYOFFS BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME (i.e. Carolina (opposite team) and Calgary). They discussed before to make sure things like that doesn't happen because they said they didn't the playoffs to be decided based on 5-3's and stupid penalties.

Bettman ruined the game. He tried to follow suit with the NBA to open up the offense, but he DID too much. One step at a time man. Goalies can't go in the corner... dumbest thing ever.
 
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Don't even get me started on Bettman. Anyone who knows hockey does not like the current state of the game.
 

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