Car with counterweight: Dynamics

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The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem involving a car and a counterweight system. Participants are analyzing the forces acting on the car, particularly in relation to the braking force and the resulting acceleration. There is a focus on understanding the discrepancies between the original poster's calculations and the book's solution.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the acceleration of the car using equations of motion but questions the validity of their method compared to the book's answer. Other participants inquire about the total mass affected by the braking force and discuss the implications of the counterweight's acceleration on the system.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some have offered insights into the relationship between the car and the counterweight, particularly regarding how braking affects the tension in the cable. There is no explicit consensus yet, as various aspects of the problem are still being examined.

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There appears to be confusion regarding the mass to consider when applying the brakes and how that relates to the overall acceleration of the system. Participants are questioning the assumptions made about the counterweight's behavior when the brakes are applied.

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Hi,
There is something weird here:
Please look at problem and solution.

When I set my equations:
2000a=2000gsin(30°)-T
1800a=-1800gsin(20°)+T

I add them up:
3800a=2000gsin(30°)-1800gsin(20°)
a=1m/s^2

Now I want to equilibriate the car:
The force of brakes=-2000a=-2000a=-2000N.

But the book has a different answer. I understand their method. But why is my method wrong? Please try to explain to me in detail clearly. I have difficulty understanding.
 

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What total mass is affected by applying the brakes?
 
2000 kg!
 
This is what I did. Can you be more specific?
 
Hmm. That's weird. I get the right answer if I plug 3800kg. But, why is just looking at the car (2000kg) wrong!?
 
yolo123 said:
Hmm. That's weird. I get the right answer if I plug 3800kg. But, why is just looking at the car (2000kg) wrong!?
Does applying the brakes affect the acceleration of the counterweight?
 
I think it does not.
 
yolo123 said:
I think it does not.
So, even with the brakes applied, the counterweight will accelerate up the slope, making the cable go slack?
 
Oh no. It will not. The rope stays taught. But the brakes still apply force only on the car.
 
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yolo123 said:
Oh no. It will not. The rope stays taught. But the brakes still apply force only on the car.
Sure, but that reduces the tension in the cable, so slowing the acceleration of the counterweight. The reduced tension means you have to apply the brakes harder than you thought because the counterweight isn't pulling back as hard.
As long as the cable is taut, the situation is no different from the two masses being connected by a rod, as a truck with a trailer. You need to add their masses when calculating acceleration forces.
 

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