Carmichael Numbers: Understanding Their Significance and Properties

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The discussion revolves around the properties and significance of Carmichael numbers, particularly in relation to Fermat's little theorem. Participants explore the implications of the theorem's conditions and the nature of bases that can be considered in the context of pseudoprimes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Thomas questions why the domain for bases a is specified as 1 < a < n in the context of Carmichael numbers and whether this set exhausts all possible bases.
  • Some participants suggest that since a + bn (where b is an integer) also satisfies the modular condition, it may not be necessary to check coprime numbers greater than n.
  • Another participant notes that only coprime numbers are considered, referencing the Euler totient function to explain the limited possibilities for bases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of coprimality in the context of Carmichael numbers, but there is some uncertainty regarding the completeness of the set of bases considered.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve whether the set (1,n) fully encompasses all possible bases a, leaving this point open for further exploration.

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Hi everyone :-)

at http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CarmichaelNumber.html it says that a Carmichael number is one which satisfies Fermat's little theorem:

a^{n-1} \equiv 1 mod (n)

for every choice of a which is co-prime to n, with 1 < a < n.

Why is the domain 1 < a < n specified?

A maths book that I'm reading says "Can it happen that n is a pseudoprime to all possible bases a? The answer is yes and such numbers are called Carmichael numbers."

Does this mean that the set (1,n) exhausts all possible bases a?


Thanks :-)

Thomas.
 
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thomas430 said:
Hi everyone :-)

at http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CarmichaelNumber.html it says that a Carmichael number is one which satisfies Fermat's little theorem:

a^{n-1} \equiv 1 mod (n)

for every choice of a which is co-prime to n, with 1 < a < n.

Why is the domain 1 < a < n specified?

A maths book that I'm reading says "Can it happen that n is a pseudoprime to all possible bases a? The answer is yes and such numbers are called Carmichael numbers."

Does this mean that the set (1,n) exhausts all possible bases a?


Thanks :-)

Thomas.
Yes, because (a +bn)^{n-1} = a^{n-1} \mod n.
Therefore you do not have to check the coprime numbers greater than n. Can you see why that is so?
 
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I see how that works.. and I expanded for n=3 to get a taste.

Thanks, ramsey!
 
Thomas 430: Does this mean that the set (1,n) exhausts all possible bases a?

We are only considering coprime numbers, so that n==0 Mod n is not considered.

By coprime there are only \Phi (n) (Euler totient function) such possibilities. For example for n=15 there are only \Phi(3)*\Phi 5 = 8 such numbers that form the multiplicative group.
 
Thanks Robert, that makes good sense.
 
thomas430 said:
Thanks Robert, that makes good sense.

Good! Glad to hear.
 

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