Cars Collide on a Hill, Conservation of Momentum

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The problem involves a collision between two vehicles on an inclined road, focusing on the conservation of momentum. Vehicle A has a positive initial velocity, while Vehicle B has a negative initial velocity. The mass relationship between the two vehicles is also provided, and the vehicles stick together after the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of momentum conservation and the impact of the incline on the collision. Some express uncertainty about incorporating trigonometric functions and the role of gravity during the collision. Others mention the need to consider impulse due to the time gap between the states before and after the collision.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have offered insights regarding the forces at play, while others are questioning the assumptions made about friction and gravity. There is no explicit consensus yet, but guidance on considering impulse and the effects of gravity has been suggested.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that friction and drag forces are negligible, prompting questions about what other forces may be significant. The time duration of the collision is also highlighted as a factor that complicates the analysis.

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Homework Statement
While driving on a road that is inclined at an angle of 10 degrees above the horizontal, Vehicle A and Vehicle B are in a head-on collision lasting for 0.071 sec Just before the collision, Vehicle A had a velocity of 21m/s and Vehicle B had a velocity of -29m/s as shown below.
The mass of Vehicle B is 1.3 times larger than the mass of Vehicle A. After the collision, the vehicles remain stuck together. You may assume that, as the collision took place, friction and drag forces are negligible in comparison to the force between the two vehicles.
What is the velocity of the two-vehicle system immediately after the collision?
Relevant Equations
Trig Functions (Sin, Cos, Tan)
Conservation of Momentum: M(a) + M(b) = (m(a) + m(b))*V(f)
QUESTION:
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For the purposes of this problem, we will define the direction of Vehicle A's initial velocity as the positive direction:

While driving on a road that is inclined at an angle of 10 degrees above the horizontal, Vehicle A and Vehicle B are in a head-on collision lasting for 0.071 sec Just before the collision, Vehicle A had a velocity of 21m/s and Vehicle B had a velocity of -29m/s as shown below.

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The mass of Vehicle B is 1.3 times larger than the mass of Vehicle A. After the collision, the vehicles remain stuck together. You may assume that, as the collision took place, friction and drag forces are negligible in comparison to the force between the two vehicles.

What is the velocity of the two-vehicle system immediately after the collision?

EXPLANATION/APPROACH
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I know that the momentum is conserved so that the total momentum when the cars are together is equal to the momentum when the cars are separate. However, I am struggling to add Trig to this equation, as I don't know whether this will provide more or less momentum, and when I should apply the formulae to solve the problem.

I can do this problem without the incline:

Momentum of A = M(a)

Mass of A = m(a)

Final Velocity = V(f)

M(a) + M(b) = (m(a) + m(b))*V(f)

From this, I can plug in the given ratios/values to come out with the final velocity.
 
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Bitmap said:
From this, I can plug in the given ratios/values to come out with the final velocity.
Yes, and that would be fine even on the slope if it were all instantaneous. But there is a time gap between before and after the collision.
 
Bitmap said:
You may assume that, as the collision took place, friction and drag forces are negligible in comparison to the force between the two vehicles.
It is important to read this passage carefully. Friction and drag are negligible. What forces does that leave that may not be negligible?
 
This thread gives the curious, but I'm sure false, impression, that the OP is laughing at the responses he's received!
 
jbriggs444 said:
It is important to read this passage carefully. Friction and drag are negligible. What forces does that leave that may not be negligible?
Gravity force? Maybe I can calculate the vectors using trig?
 
haruspex said:
Yes, and that would be fine even on the slope if it were all instantaneous. But there is a time gap between before and after the collision.
I would need impulse for this, right?
 
PeroK said:
This thread gives the curious, but I'm sure false, impression, that the OP is laughing at the responses he's received!
Definitely not. Thanks, everyone for the help!
 
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Bitmap said:
I would need impulse for this, right?
As I implied, you already have the after crash velocity were it not for gravity. What difference will gravity make over the duration of the collision?
 

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