Carter: Not mincing words about Bush

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The discussion centers around former President Jimmy Carter's criticisms of the Bush administration, particularly regarding its stance on Hamas and Middle Eastern relations. Participants explore Carter's motivations for his statements, considering various factors such as personal conviction, ethical concerns, political strategy, and historical context.

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  • Some participants suggest that Carter's criticisms may stem from a pragmatic approach to Middle Eastern relations, while others emphasize his ethical stance against injustice.
  • There is speculation about whether Carter's motivations are personal, political, or a combination of both, particularly in light of the upcoming 2008 elections.
  • One participant expresses a belief that Carter is attempting to reconcile differing treatments of Israel and Palestine by U.S. administrations.
  • Another participant challenges the sincerity of political figures, questioning the authenticity of their motivations.
  • A humorous remark is made regarding the preferences of Israelis and Palestinians in relation to peanuts and pistachios, indicating a light-hearted take on the serious topic.
  • The publication of Carter's book 'Palestine Peace Not Apartheid' is mentioned as a potential catalyst for his recent criticisms, suggesting a timeline of personal conviction rather than mere political maneuvering.

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Participants express a range of views regarding Carter's motivations, with no clear consensus on whether his actions are primarily driven by personal conviction, ethical concerns, or political strategy. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the nature of his criticisms.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity of motivations behind political statements, highlighting the difficulty in discerning personal beliefs from political agendas. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations of Carter's actions and statements without reaching definitive conclusions.

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...Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize winner who was addressing a human rights conference in Ireland, also said the Bush administration's refusal to accept Hamas' 2006 election victory was "criminal." [continued]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/20/AR2007062000233.html

Carter has been slamming the Bush admin laterly and I have to wonder about his motives. Is this his way to help pave the road to reconcilation with nations in the ME, is this political with the 08 elections in mind, is this pragmatism, or is this personal?

I tend to think it's pragmatic and that for him the issue is personal [he was always highly focused on ME issues], but in spite of his well deserved good samaritan image, he is still a political animal.
 
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Carter may still be a political animal, but he is first and foremost an ethical man who cares deeply about injustice. We may examine his motivations (and we should), but I do not believe that he is inclined to lie.
 
we had an honest man in the white house
and replaced him with a brain dead puppet/actor
who was controlled by his nasty wife
 
turbo-1 said:
Carter may still be a political animal, but he is first and foremost an ethical man who cares deeply about injustice. We may examine his motivations (and we should), but I do not believe that he is inclined to lie.
:smile: When did this happen?
 
Smurf said:
:smile: When did this happen?

So, do you have a point?
 
Ivan Seeking said:
So, do you have a point?
A frequent problem here, when hit-and-run posters fail to engage or to provide any food for thought.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Carter has been slamming the Bush admin laterly and I have to wonder about his motives. Is this his way to help pave the road to reconcilation with nations in the ME, is this political with the 08 elections in mind, is this pragmatism, or is this personal?
I think that Carter is trying to come to terms with the differences in treatment of Israel and Palestine by the US administration(s).

If his consciousness is speaking, then to me he is a good person.
 
MeJennifer said:
I think that Carter is trying to come to terms with the differences in treatment of Israel and Palestine by the US administration(s).

If his consciousness is speaking, then to me he is a good person.

As opposed to those that speak while they're unconscious?

Or as opposed to those that let the voices buried deep in their subconscious come out to speak?

He, he, he.
 
NOt enoguh peanuts have been sold to the Palestinian terrorists as Carter would like have seen, and the Israelis prefer Persia Pistachios over Georgian peanuts.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/20/AR2007062000233.html

Carter has been slamming the Bush admin laterly and I have to wonder about his motives. Is this his way to help pave the road to reconcilation with nations in the ME, is this political with the 08 elections in mind, is this pragmatism, or is this personal?

I tend to think it's pragmatic and that for him the issue is personal [he was always highly focused on ME issues], but in spite of his well deserved good samaritan image, he is still a political animal.
It began with the publication of his book 'Palestine Peace Not Apartheid' in Nov 2006 which presumably would have taken a year or two to research and write prior to publication so unless he was scheming well in advance it would seem he is speaking through personal conviction rather than political spin.
 

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