Cartesian Equation of the Plane Passing Through Two Vectors

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The discussion revolves around finding the Cartesian equation of a plane defined by two vectors in three-dimensional space. Participants are working through a problem that involves expressing a third vector as a linear combination of the two given vectors and deriving the equation of the plane spanned by these vectors.

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  • One participant requests help with expressing the vector $(1,2,9)$ as a linear combination of the vectors $(1,0,-1)$ and $(2,1,3)$.
  • Another participant suggests writing the equation as $$(1,2,9) = a(1,0,-1)+b(2,1,3)$$ and asks if the original poster can solve it.
  • A subsequent reply provides a solution to the linear combination, finding values $b = 2$ and $a = -3$.
  • Another participant explains that since the vectors span the plane, any point in the plane can be expressed in terms of these vectors, leading to a matrix representation and row reduction process.
  • This participant concludes that the equation for the plane is given by $x - 5y + z = 0$.

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There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the derived equation for the plane, as participants are still discussing the steps involved in reaching that conclusion. Multiple viewpoints on the approach and solution exist.

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The discussion includes various mathematical steps and assumptions, such as the dependence on the linear combination and the row reduction process, which may not be fully resolved or agreed upon by all participants.

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Could someone please help with me with part $(b)$? By "the other set of vectors" they mean $R$, and the linear combination is

$(1,2,9) = -3(1,0,-1)+2(2,1,3)$.​

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Guest said:
Could someone please help with me with part $(b)$? By "the other set of vectors" they mean $R$, and the linear combination is

$(1,2,9) = -3(1,0,-1)+2(2,1,3)$.​

Hi Guest,

If we write the 3rd vector as a linear combination of the first two, we have:
$$(1,2,9) = a(1,0,-1)+b(2,1,3)$$
Can you solve it? (Wondering)
 
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Hi Guest,

If we write the 3rd vector as a linear combination of the first two, we have:
$$(1,2,9) = a(1,0,-1)+b(2,1,3)$$
Can you solve it? (Wondering)
So $(1,2,9) = (a, 0,-a)+(2b, b, 3b) = (a+2b, b, 3b-a) \implies b = 2 \implies a = -3. $
 
Woah, I've solved it I think (Happy)

Since $v_1 = (1,0,-1)$ and $v_2 = (2,1,3)$ span the plane, we can write any point in the plane as:

$\begin{align*}
\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\\z\end{pmatrix}=tv_1+rv_2=t\begin{pmatrix}1\\0\\-1\end{pmatrix}+r\begin{pmatrix}2\\1\\3\end{pmatrix}
=\begin{pmatrix}1&2\\0&1\\-1&3\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} t \\ r\end{pmatrix}
\end{align*}$, call this (1). Now, row reducing:

$\begin{pmatrix}1&2&|&x\\0&1&|&y\\-1&3&|&z\end{pmatrix} \to \begin{pmatrix}1&2&|&x\\0&1&|&y\\0&5&|&x+z\end{pmatrix} \to \begin{pmatrix}1&0&|&x-2y\\0&1&|&y\\0&5&|&x+z\end{pmatrix} \to \begin{pmatrix}1&0&|&x-2y\\0&1&|&y\\0&0&|&x-5y+z\end{pmatrix}$

We find that (1) has a solution if and only if $x-5y+z = 0$, and this is the equation for the plane $\Pi$.
 
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