Cauchy sequence without limit in a complete space?

In summary, the conversation discusses a sequence {x_n} constructed on a circle in R^2 that is counterclockwise and approaches the origin. However, it is a Cauchy sequence with the distance between consecutive terms getting smaller, but the total sum distance diverges as n gets larger due to the harmonic series. This contradicts R^2 being a complete metric space. There is also a discussion about the misunderstanding of the definition of a Cauchy sequence and the flaw in the argument presented.
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I know I'm doing something wrong here, but I can't find my mistake.

1) R^2 is a complete metric space under the ordinary Euclidean metric.
2) Consider the circle of radius 2, centered at the origin in R^2.
3) Construct a sequence {x_n} as follows:
x_1 is at the apex of the circle (0,2).
x_2 is counterclockwise around the circle, a distance of 1 away from x_1.
x_3 is counterclockwise around the circle, a distance of 1/2 away from x_2.
x_4 is counterclockwise around the circle, a distance of 1/3 away from x_3.
In general, x_n is counterclockwise around the circle, a distance of 1/(n-1) from x_n-1.
4) The distance between the x_n and x_n+1 is 1/n, which gets small as n gets large; so, {x_n} is a Cauchy sequence in R^2.
5) However, the total sum distance as n gets large diverges, since this is the harmonic series. Or, as you construct more and more points in the sequence, they continue to travel around the circle counterclockwise an arbitrarily-large number of times.
6) The sequence has no limit, since the sequence never settles on anyone point on the circle.

This is in direct contradiction with R^2 being a complete metric space.
 
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  • #2
First of all, why the circle? Your argument 'works' for the real line as well. The flaw is, you are misunderstanding the definition of a cauchy sequence. I will copy and paste from wikipedia:

In other words, suppose a pre-assigned positive real value e is chosen. However small e is, starting from a Cauchy sequence and eliminating terms one by one from the start, after a finite number of steps, any pair chosen from the remaining terms will be within distance e of each other.

emphasis mine; you only considered consecutive pairs :)
 
  • #3
Wait, really? Haha, to do my proof, that's exactly what I was hoping for. Silly me, misremembering Cauchy sequences.

Also, I had chosen the circle because it's easier to see how the sequence isn't converging, not that it's converging to something that's outside the space. I realize that either case would invalidate the completeness if it were a Cauchy sequence.

Thanks, though. Not sure how I missed that.
 
  • #4
I have a question about this. If first we ignore the part about the sums and just consider the points and their distance from the previous terms, do these never approach a particular value on the circle? I see that it is Cauchy in a complete space so it must converge, I thought. It does seem that the sequence is Cauchy since given any e, we can find an n in N such that for all m>n, |x_m - x_{m+1}| < e.

I suppose that was my thinking at first. My second thought is that since the distance difference is the harmonic sequence, for any 2 points after n we don't have that the distance between them is ever necessarily less than e.

So the sequence isn't Cauchy for the second reason? Thanks
 
  • #5
Your first paragraph is wrong because you have to be able to get all of the terms after some Nth term to ALL be in an arbitrarily small epsilon-neighborhood.

Your second thought is correct. If epsilon is smaller than 4 (since I chose a circle of radius 2), then no matter how high you pick N, there will be some values of n and m that will give you points essentially on opposite sides of the circle, making them greater than epsilon distance from one another, implying that the sequence isn't Cauchy after all.
 
  • #6
That's a great point. Thanks.
 

What is a Cauchy sequence without limit in a complete space?

A Cauchy sequence without limit in a complete space is a sequence of numbers where the distance between any two elements in the sequence approaches zero as the sequence progresses, but the sequence does not converge to a single limit. In other words, the sequence does not have a defined limit point.

How is a Cauchy sequence without limit in a complete space different from a convergent sequence?

A convergent sequence has a defined limit that the sequence approaches as it progresses, while a Cauchy sequence without limit does not have a defined limit point. In other words, a convergent sequence "converges" to a specific value, while a Cauchy sequence without limit does not.

Can a Cauchy sequence without limit in a complete space still be considered a "good" sequence?

Yes, a Cauchy sequence without limit in a complete space can still be considered a "good" sequence because it satisfies the definition of a Cauchy sequence, which is an important concept in mathematical analysis. However, it may not have some of the properties that a convergent sequence has.

How can a Cauchy sequence without limit in a complete space be used in real-life applications?

Cauchy sequences without limit in complete spaces are often used in theoretical mathematics and analysis, but they may not have as many real-life applications as convergent sequences. However, they can be used in fields such as physics and engineering to model systems with continuously changing values that do not have a defined limit.

What are some examples of Cauchy sequences without limit in complete spaces?

One example is the sequence 1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, ... where the distance between any two elements approaches zero, but the sequence does not have a defined limit point. Another example is the sequence (-1)^n, which alternates between -1 and 1 but does not converge to a single limit point.

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