Cauchy sequence without limit in a complete space?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Cauchy sequences within the context of complete metric spaces, specifically examining a sequence constructed on a circle in R². Participants explore the implications of the sequence's behavior and its relationship to the definition of completeness.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant constructs a sequence on a circle in R², claiming it is a Cauchy sequence but does not converge to a limit, suggesting a contradiction with the completeness of R².
  • Another participant challenges the initial claim, stating that the definition of a Cauchy sequence was misunderstood and emphasizes the need to consider all terms beyond a certain index.
  • A subsequent participant acknowledges the misunderstanding and clarifies that the circle was chosen for illustrative purposes, not to imply convergence outside the space.
  • Another participant questions whether the points in the sequence approach a particular value on the circle, expressing confusion about the Cauchy property given the distances involved.
  • One participant asserts that for the sequence to be Cauchy, all terms after a certain index must be within an arbitrarily small epsilon-neighborhood, which is not satisfied in this case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the sequence and its classification as a Cauchy sequence. There is no consensus on whether the sequence meets the criteria for being Cauchy, with some arguing it does not due to the distances involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the definition of Cauchy sequences and the implications of the harmonic series on the sequence's behavior. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the application of the Cauchy criterion in this specific context.

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I know I'm doing something wrong here, but I can't find my mistake.

1) R^2 is a complete metric space under the ordinary Euclidean metric.
2) Consider the circle of radius 2, centered at the origin in R^2.
3) Construct a sequence {x_n} as follows:
x_1 is at the apex of the circle (0,2).
x_2 is counterclockwise around the circle, a distance of 1 away from x_1.
x_3 is counterclockwise around the circle, a distance of 1/2 away from x_2.
x_4 is counterclockwise around the circle, a distance of 1/3 away from x_3.
In general, x_n is counterclockwise around the circle, a distance of 1/(n-1) from x_n-1.
4) The distance between the x_n and x_n+1 is 1/n, which gets small as n gets large; so, {x_n} is a Cauchy sequence in R^2.
5) However, the total sum distance as n gets large diverges, since this is the harmonic series. Or, as you construct more and more points in the sequence, they continue to travel around the circle counterclockwise an arbitrarily-large number of times.
6) The sequence has no limit, since the sequence never settles on anyone point on the circle.

This is in direct contradiction with R^2 being a complete metric space.
 
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First of all, why the circle? Your argument 'works' for the real line as well. The flaw is, you are misunderstanding the definition of a cauchy sequence. I will copy and paste from wikipedia:

In other words, suppose a pre-assigned positive real value e is chosen. However small e is, starting from a Cauchy sequence and eliminating terms one by one from the start, after a finite number of steps, any pair chosen from the remaining terms will be within distance e of each other.

emphasis mine; you only considered consecutive pairs :)
 
Wait, really? Haha, to do my proof, that's exactly what I was hoping for. Silly me, misremembering Cauchy sequences.

Also, I had chosen the circle because it's easier to see how the sequence isn't converging, not that it's converging to something that's outside the space. I realize that either case would invalidate the completeness if it were a Cauchy sequence.

Thanks, though. Not sure how I missed that.
 
I have a question about this. If first we ignore the part about the sums and just consider the points and their distance from the previous terms, do these never approach a particular value on the circle? I see that it is Cauchy in a complete space so it must converge, I thought. It does seem that the sequence is Cauchy since given any e, we can find an n in N such that for all m>n, |x_m - x_{m+1}| < e.

I suppose that was my thinking at first. My second thought is that since the distance difference is the harmonic sequence, for any 2 points after n we don't have that the distance between them is ever necessarily less than e.

So the sequence isn't Cauchy for the second reason? Thanks
 
Your first paragraph is wrong because you have to be able to get all of the terms after some Nth term to ALL be in an arbitrarily small epsilon-neighborhood.

Your second thought is correct. If epsilon is smaller than 4 (since I chose a circle of radius 2), then no matter how high you pick N, there will be some values of n and m that will give you points essentially on opposite sides of the circle, making them greater than epsilon distance from one another, implying that the sequence isn't Cauchy after all.
 
That's a great point. Thanks.
 

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