Cauchy Sequences and Completeness in R^n ....

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The discussion revolves around the proof of Theorem 1.6.5 regarding the completeness of $$\mathbb{R}^n$$, specifically focusing on the relationship between Cauchy sequences and their subsequences. Participants seek clarification on the implications of a convergent subsequence within a Cauchy sequence and the formal reasoning behind the convergence of the entire sequence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter expresses confusion regarding the proof that if a subsequence of a Cauchy sequence converges to a limit, then the entire sequence must also converge to that limit.
  • One participant provides a detailed argument using the definitions of Cauchy sequences and subsequences, outlining the steps to show that the entire sequence converges to the same limit as the subsequence.
  • Peter questions the assumption that there exists an $$N$$ such that all elements of the Cauchy sequence after $$N$$ belong to the subsequence, seeking clarification on this point.
  • Another participant confirms Peter's interpretation and explains that the proof relies on the fact that the subsequence is infinite, allowing for the selection of terms from the subsequence that are close to the limit.
  • Participants discuss the intuitive reasoning behind the proof, emphasizing that the closeness of elements in the Cauchy sequence to each other and the converging subsequence leads to the conclusion of convergence for the entire sequence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the reasoning provided for the convergence of the entire sequence based on the properties of Cauchy sequences and convergent subsequences. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the specific assumptions and implications of the proof, particularly concerning the selection of terms from the subsequence.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of the definitions and properties of Cauchy sequences and subsequences, as well as the assumptions made in the proof. There are unresolved questions about the existence of a specific $$N$$ that guarantees the inclusion of subsequence elements in the Cauchy sequence.

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I am reading "Multidimensional Real Analysis I: Differentiation" by J. J. Duistermaat and J. A. C. Kolk ...

I am focused on Chapter 1: Continuity ... ...

I need help with an aspect of the proof of Theorem 1.6.5 (Completeness of $$\mathbb{R}^n$$) ...

Duistermaat and Kolk"s Theorem 1.6.5 and its proof (including the preceding notes on Cauchy Sequences) read as follows:View attachment 7713
In the above proof of Theorem 1.6.5 we read the following:

" ... ... But then the Cauchy property implies that the whole sequence converges to the same limit. ... ... "D&K don't seem to prove this statement anywhere ... presumably they think the proof is obvious ... but I cannot see exactly why it must be true ...

Can someone please demonstrate formally and rigorously that if a subsequence of a Cauchy sequence converges to a
limit then the whole sequence converges to the same limit. ... ...Peter
 
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Hi Peter,

Assume that the Cauchy sequence $(x_k)$ contains a subsequence $Y = (y_i)$ that converges to $a$. Given $\varepsilon>0$, there are integers $N_1$ and $N_2$ such that:

  • $k, n>N_1 \Rightarrow \Vert x_k-x_n\Vert<\varepsilon/2$
  • $m>N_2,x_m\in Y\Rightarrow\Vert x_m-a\Vert<\varepsilon/2$.

Take $N=\max(N_1,N_2)$, and choose $k>N$ such that $x_k$ belongs to the subsequence $Y$; this implies that $\Vert x_k-a\Vert<\varepsilon/2$. For any $n>N$, we have:

$$\Vert x_n-a\Vert \le \Vert x_n-x_k\Vert + \Vert x_k-a\Vert < \varepsilon$$​

and this shows that the sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $a$.
 
castor28 said:
Hi Peter,

Assume that the Cauchy sequence $(x_k)$ contains a subsequence $Y = (y_i)$ that converges to $a$. Given $\varepsilon>0$, there are integers $N_1$ and $N_2$ such that:

  • $k, n>N_1 \Rightarrow \Vert x_k-x_n\Vert<\varepsilon/2$
  • $m>N_2,x_m\in Y\Rightarrow\Vert x_m-a\Vert<\varepsilon/2$.

Take $N=\max(N_1,N_2)$, and choose $k>N$ such that $x_k$ belongs to the subsequence $Y$; this implies that $\Vert x_k-a\Vert<\varepsilon/2$. For any $n>N$, we have:

$$\Vert x_n-a\Vert \le \Vert x_n-x_k\Vert + \Vert x_k-a\Vert < \varepsilon$$

and this shows that the sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $a$.
Hi castor28 ... thanks for the help !

But just a small point of clarification ... ... ,,, you write:

" ... ... Take $N=\max(N_1,N_2)$, and choose $k>N$ such that $x_k$ belongs to the subsequence $Y$ ... ... "This implies that there is an $$N$$ such that for elements of the Cauchy sequence ... EVERY one of them after $$N$$ belong to the subsequence ... how do we know that such an $$N$$ exists ...

Hope you can clarify ...Thanks again for your help ...

Peter***EDIT*** Hmm ... already beginning to doubt that my interpretation of your statements is true ...

it appears that the term $$x_k$$ in the expression

$$\Vert x_n-a\Vert \le \Vert x_n-x_k\Vert + \Vert x_k-a\Vert < \varepsilon$$

is just an element of the subsequence for which $$k \gt N$$ ... ... Is that right?

I have to say that proving the above expression for all $$n \gt N$$ by relying on specially chosen elements $$x_k$$ surprised me ...

Peter
 
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Peter said:
***EDIT*** Hmm ... already beginning to doubt that my interpretation of your statements is true ...

it appears that the term $$x_k$$ in the expression

$$\Vert x_n-a\Vert \le \Vert x_n-x_k\Vert + \Vert x_k-a\Vert < \varepsilon$$

is just an element of the subsequence for which $$k \gt N$$ ... ... Is that right?

I have to say that proving the above expression for all $$n \gt N$$ by relying on specially chosen elements $$x_k$$ surprised me ...

Peter

Hi Peter,

Your last interpretation is correct. $N_1$ and $N_2$ correspond to the fact that $X$ is Cauchy and $Y$ is convergent, respectively. By taking $N=\max(N_1,N_2)$, we ensure that, in the part of the sequence after $x_N$, both inequalities are satisfied; of course, the second inequality is only relevant to elements of the sequence that belong to $Y$.

Now, the terms after $x_N$ contain at least one term of $Y$, because $Y$ is an infinite sequence and the condition $n>N$ only removes finitely many terms. We can therefore choose one such term $x_k\in Y$ with $k>N$. We can then keep $x_k$ fixed and show that all the elements $\{x_n\mid n>N\}$ satisfy $\Vert x_n-a\Vert<\varepsilon$, which means that $X$ converges to $a$.

Intuitively, the idea is quite simple. After a certain point, the elements of $X$ are close to each other. On the other hand, $Y\subset X$ contains infinitely many elements close to $a$. As the other points of $X$ are close to that point, they are also close to $a$.

It is true that the proof only uses one particular $x_k\in Y$. This is not a problem, since any $x_k$ close enough to $a$ will do, and we have an infinite supply of them.
 
castor28 said:
Hi Peter,

Your last interpretation is correct. $N_1$ and $N_2$ correspond to the fact that $X$ is Cauchy and $Y$ is convergent, respectively. By taking $N=\max(N_1,N_2)$, we ensure that, in the part of the sequence after $x_N$, both inequalities are satisfied; of course, the second inequality is only relevant to elements of the sequence that belong to $Y$.

Now, the terms after $x_N$ contain at least one term of $Y$, because $Y$ is an infinite sequence and the condition $n>N$ only removes finitely many terms. We can therefore choose one such term $x_k\in Y$ with $k>N$. We can then keep $x_k$ fixed and show that all the elements $\{x_n\mid n>N\}$ satisfy $\Vert x_n-a\Vert<\varepsilon$, which means that $X$ converges to $a$.

Intuitively, the idea is quite simple. After a certain point, the elements of $X$ are close to each other. On the other hand, $Y\subset X$ contains infinitely many elements close to $a$. As the other points of $X$ are close to that point, they are also close to $a$.

It is true that the proof only uses one particular $x_k\in Y$. This is not a problem, since any $x_k$ close enough to $a$ will do, and we have an infinite supply of them.
Hi castor28 ... thanks for the help and the really clear explanation ... really helpful!

Peter
 

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