Centaur Mass for Jupiter's 4th Lagrange Point

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of a massive centaur having its own Lagrange points, particularly in relation to Jupiter's fourth Lagrange point. It explores the possibility of capturing a space station or a Trojan asteroid by engineering the centaur's angle and velocity, assuming it can provide milli-gee acceleration. The stability of Lagrange points is noted, with a mass ratio requirement of over 24.96, and examples like Janus-Epemethius and 617 Patroklus are mentioned as interesting cases for potential exploration. The use of the Oberth effect during a low flyby of Jupiter is highlighted as a method to enhance delta-v for spacecraft maneuvers. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the intriguing dynamics of centaurs and their interactions with Jupiter's gravitational field.
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Hi again

How much mass would a centaur need to have Lagrange points? (is a centaur of this size plausible?)

In the story I'm working on a massive centaur passes near Jupiter's 4th Lagrange point, such that the centaur's Lagrange point and Jupiter's overlap.

Could the centaur come at an angle and velocity, that one could engineer a space station, or one of the Trojans, to be captured by the Centaur? (assume a few years of milli gee acceleration is possible on the object to be captured)
 
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Centaurs orbit the Sun at rate that Jupiter orbits the Sun. An L4 of the Centaur would have to orbit Jupiter at the rate our Centaur orbits Jupiter.

Wikipedia says Lagrange points are only stable if the object ratio is greater than 24.96. A Jupiter mass planet can have a Trojan more massive than Earth.

You might be able to get something like Janus-Epemethius. There is nothing else quite like that but it is stable and worth checking out.

617 Patroklus - Menoelios is interesting enough that NASA is sending LUCY there in 2033. They might be tidally locked (speculation not likely to be caught before 2033) which means we could build a space elevator-bridge connecting them. They are small enough we can bore through the cores. The mass driver rail line can continue in a straight line.

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Could the centaur come at an angle and velocity, that one could engineer a space station, or one of the Trojans, to be captured by the Centaur? (assume a few years of milli gee acceleration is possible on the object to be captured)

Jupiter Trojan orbit to a low Jupiter flyby is very low delta-v. When flying by Jupiter you can use the Oberth effect. The magnitude has a square root which can be heavily leveraged by a space station. For example if your perijove (periapsis) has 50 km/s and you give it a 5 m/s impulse the effect of that impulse is the same as a 500 m/s impulse at apojove.

If you were at the L4 point the station would have effectively circular orbits around Jupiter and the Sun. Almost all Trojans will have elliptical orbits around Jupiter. If you flatten the ellipse the station gets closer to a Jupiter flyby. Once it is flat enough it can flyby the large moons or make a close pass by Jupiter.
 
Thanks for the reply.
Nice I love hearing about strange objects in our solar system. Both Janus-Epemethiu and Patroklus look fascinating. Will have to include them in a story :)
 
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