Center of gravity/moment of inertia

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The discussion revolves around the calculations related to the center of gravity and moment of inertia for a mini hovercraft project. Participants explore the implications of including the mass of the styrofoam board in these calculations and how to compute the moment of inertia when additional components, like a thrust fan, are added to the design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether the mass of the styrofoam board should be included in the calculations and its position from the origin.
  • Another participant confirms that the mass of the styrofoam should be included and suggests considering it located at the center of the board due to its uniformity.
  • There is a discussion about the additivity of moments of inertia, with one participant stating that total moment of inertia can be calculated by summing individual moments about a common axis.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how to compute the moment of inertia when a thrust fan is added, questioning if the position of the fan relative to the center of mass of the styrofoam board affects the calculations.
  • Another participant corrects the earlier claim about additivity, emphasizing that moments of inertia must be calculated about a common axis rather than their own axes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to include the mass of the styrofoam board in the calculations. However, there is disagreement regarding the correct approach to calculating the total moment of inertia, particularly concerning the axis about which the moments should be summed.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the specific positions of components and how they influence the moment of inertia calculations. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the axis of rotation when summing moments of inertia.

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I am doing a mini hovercraft project. Regarding my design, I plan to place the fan (LIFT) in the middle of a rectangular styrofoam board (15 inches by 8inches). The position of my fan would be (x=7.5, y=4in); this would also be my center of gravity. My origin (coordinate) is at the corner of the styrofoam board. My thrust fan will be placed closer to the origin.

I would like to ask if I do need to include the mass of the styrofoam board (where I will placed all my components)? If yes, what would be its position from the origin.

Another thing, concerning the moment of inertial, I know to get it for a rectangular plane (uniform volume and mass), it is I=1/12 (length^2+width^2) . But with the components to be placed with different masses and volumes, how will I get the moment of inertia? I decided my center of gravity is at the middle of the styrofoam.
 
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Assuming your question concerns including the mass of the styrofoam when working out the moment of inertia, then yes, you should include it. You can consider the entire mass of the board to be located at its centre of mass, which is at the centre of the board since it is uniform.

The key thing to remember for your second question is that moments of inertia are additive about a common axis. That is to say, if you have a set of objects each with a different moment of inertia about some axis, then the total moment of inertia about that same axis is the sum of each individual moment.
 
Thanks for the reply

sk1105 said:
, then the total moment of inertia about that same axis is the sum of each individual moment.

I need more explanation on this part

For example, I would attached only a thrust fan, position is (x=7.5 ,y=2 in), at the back of the rectangular styrofoam board. Let's assume the fan is a rectangular plane as well.
I wanted to get the moment of inertia. So, how will I compute it?

So itf the formula is : total moment of inertia = moment of board on its own axis+ moment of fan on its own axis

My attempt:

total moment of inertia= 1/12 (length of board^2+width of board^2) + 1/12 (length of fan^2+width of fan^2)

I am not sure so the position of the fan relative to the center of mass of the sytro board would not matter for moment of inertia
 
Musica said:
total moment of inertia = moment of board on its own axis+ moment of fan on its own axis
Not on its own axis. Moments of inertia are only additive about a common axis. So you can't just add the moments of inertia of the two objects about their own axes, you have to pick an axis (wherever you want) and then add the moments of inertia of both objects around that axis.
 

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